PLAN Current Vessel Inventory Thread

[Joshluot-34-85]

Will the 052D possess vertical launch systems for its anti-ship/cruise missiles. Even India and Pakistan have vertical launch systems (for supersonic cruise missiles) in service for their naval vessels. I know China had vertical launch system technology for its HQ-9 and HQ-16 SAMs, but I am not sure about cruise/anti-ship missiles. What do y'all think? When do you think China will develop a BrahMos equivalent anti-ship missile?

 

[CottageLV]

Will the 052D possess vertical launch systems for its anti-ship/cruise missiles. Even India and Pakistan have vertical launch systems (for supersonic cruise missiles) in service for their naval vessels. I know China had vertical launch system technology for its HQ-9 and HQ-16 SAMs, but I am not sure about cruise/anti-ship missiles. What do y'all think? When do you think China will develop a BrahMos equivalent anti-ship missile?

This is a very simple technology and easily applicable to all spectrum of missiles. I don't think a country like China would not be able to accomplish something that easy.

In terms of Brahmos, China already developed supersonic anti ship missiles long before the India had the Brahmos. Go search for YJ83, YJ91, C301, C101, YJ12, YJ22, C101, and C301. These are just the ones that are above Mach 1.5, mostly at 2 or above. If you count the ones the ones that just break the sound barrier, the list goes even longer.

Plus, Brahmos is mostly Russian/Soviet anyways. Just like the T-50 and the soon to come successor of T50, most of the researches were done by the Russian and then sold to the Indians at a high price.

 

[Joshluot-34-85]

Do you know where I can find pictures of YJ-12 missiles? Wikipedia says that it has a range of 400km with a speed of Mach 2.5. Yj-91 is just as interesting with a speed of Mach 4.5, but its range is just a bit over 100km. On the other hand, BrahMos and P=800 Onik (Vietnam has bunch) both have ranges of about 300km, making Indian Navy possibly superior than Chinese counterparts.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Do you know where I can find pictures of YJ-12 missiles? Wikipedia says that it has a range of 400km with a speed of Mach 2.5. Yj-91 is just as interesting with a speed of Mach 4.5, but its range is just a bit over 100km. On the other hand, BrahMos and P=800 Onik (Vietnam has bunch) both have ranges of about 300km, making Indian Navy possibly superior than Chinese counterparts.

The Oniks also weighs 3 tonnes, has no reattack capabilities, cannot skim the sea and requires an extremely extensive search and targeting infrastructure (which the VMF .. and nobody else had before or since) ... there are good and rational reasons why many of the world's greatest navies stick to subsonic missiles.

Regarding the Chinese missiles, C-301 and 101 are real enough, YJ-91 is based on the Kh-31.. and why it has that range. The other missiles on the list very likely do not exist as anything other than proposals, prototypes or sheer imagination.

 

[SinoSoldier]

When do you think China will develop a BrahMos equivalent anti-ship missile?

BrahMos has serious disadvantages regarding its IR signature, terrain hugging, stealth, and ability to evade defenses.

For the same explosive power, you are able to get a YJ-83 or YJ-82 that follows terrain (allowing them to go at lower altitude and avoid radar), has pop up phase, and uses extensive anti-jamming and dodges to evade missiles. And at a very low weight.

 

[Joshluot-34-85]

I see. Is there any missiles that can achieve terrain hugging and >Mach 2 speed simultaneously?

 

[Joshluot-34-85]

Isn't the U.S. also developing its own BrahMos type anti-ship missies to replace the aging Harpoon? What do y'all think about LRASM? Isn't it just US version of P-800 Onik, except with a range of 2,000+km?

 

[HKSDU]

yeah i kind of gathered that from Jeffs post about a week ago so no point there either

and read Jeffs post, he said USN can get 7 even 8 carriers at sea, thats still ~75% of thier aircraft fleet, so i dont know how u arrived at 3 LPDs in and 3 out, most likely will be 1-2 in and 4 out at sea

It's a general rule of thumb it's not always 50/50, but usually you have a portion that isn't in action.

 

[no_name]

Type 021 FAG used as target ship, possibly for AshM with dummy warhead.

 

[Jeff Head]

Type 021 FAG used as target ship, possibly for AshM with dummy warhead.

Those look like exit holes (notice how the metal is bent back and out). I would expect a test of the DF-21D, if that is what this is, to have a much larger exit hole becasue of the speed and energy, even with a dummy warhead.

Also would expect the angle to be much steeper. These holes looks fairly lateral, like it was made with a sea skimming, smaller missile, or even direct fire.

Just my opinion.