PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

bd popeye · Mar 3, 2014

Re: J-15 Carrier Multirole Fighter thread

Air Force Brat said:
You're right and you know you are, I would imagine the actual combat radius with an A2A load is about half that, possibly 800km, which is actually plenty if all your doing is flying top CAP on the CBG, since those J-15s are basically flying daytime VFR at present, that's not a problem, it is simply an operating limitation,,,,,,, lots of folks in the real world launch aircraft with a partial fuel load out. The Flanker holds a lot of fuel, if they depart a land-base to fly out to the carrier, its nice to have those long legs, but there is no point in flying around with twice the fuel you need to accomplish a particular mission, NONE! When you compromise performance or safety why would you, why do you think we see those F-86s blowing those drop tanks when they spot the migs or whatever, that extra gas can get you shot down, whether internal or external. When you jettison that fuel your thrust to weight ratio can go up 10%, and that is a kick in the pants, you can climb better and turn tighter because you have also decreased your wing loading. watch your six...... brat

Thanks AFB.. Your statement points to the need of tankers for certain missions. the question is will the PLAN actually have an J-15 Tanker? Or shall they build one from the deck up. Or like the USN does in the IO and Persian Gulf region at times use their Air Force.

This PLAN CV is like an long running Tv series that seems to have no end.

perfume · Mar 3, 2014

Re: J-15 Carrier Multirole Fighter thread

bd popeye said:
Thanks AFB.. Your statement points to the need of tankers for certain missions. the question is will the PLAN actually have an J-15 Tanker? Or shall they build one from the deck up. Or like the USN does in the IO and Persian Gulf region at times use their Air Force.

This PLAN CV is like an long running Tv series that seems to have no end.

Notice the multiple photos on the previous page showing J-15s with a buddy refueling pod, especially this one in Deino's post:

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/j-15-carrier-multirole-fighter-thread-14-6768.html#post271360

It shows their intention, and I think it is very likely that they will run air refueling dedicated J-15s off the Liaoning. But like AFB stated - even if there is a J15 tanker, in many cases if not most often, there will not be a need to fill them to the brim.

Air Force Brat · Mar 3, 2014

Re: J-15 Carrier Multirole Fighter thread

bd popeye said:
Thanks AFB.. Your statement points to the need of tankers for certain missions. the question is will the PLAN actually have an J-15 Tanker? Or shall they build one from the deck up. Or like the USN does in the IO and Persian Gulf region at times use their Air Force.

This PLAN CV is like an long running Tv series that seems to have no end.

I think it would definitely be wise to invest in some tankers, especially if they are going to be making some longer sea patrols, I think it depends on what the PLAN decides to do long term with their whole society. If they intend to assume a good neighbor approach like the USN, de-escalate some of the tensions in the real world, and become the team player I think we all hope they will, they have lots of options. Their circumstances are so much better than their previous good buddy to the North, if they follow their present path of free traders/helpful partners in peace they have so much potential to see their Nation become a world leader. I'm not certain how much tanking the PLAAF does, but its always helpful to have a buddy to "fill her up". It may well be that the J-15 tanker will be able to launch with enough fuel to make a big difference, depending on the threat at hand, a light A2A load will allow much more fuel!

Deino · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Hi guys ... just found and even if You might not like David Axe

, the report itself is written by a good friend of mine Thomas Newdick !

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by78 · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Deino said:
Hi guys ... just found and even if You might not like David Axe , the report itself is written by a good friend of mine Thomas Newdick !

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A very good read, and perhaps by far the most intelligently and cogently written article posted at medium.com. Let me guess, Mr. Newdick does not have a degree in English literature.

delft · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Deino said:
Hi guys ... just found and even if You might not like David Axe , the report itself is written by a good friend of mine Thomas Newdick !

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One quibble: I cannot imagine that the fixed wing AEW&C aircraft will be a modification of the Y-7. JZY-01 will surely be testing the aerodynamics around the radome and tail and probably also test relevant electronics but the structure of the carrier plane will be subjected to such different forces that it will have to be a new design.

Deino · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

by78 said:
A very good read, and perhaps by far the most intelligently and cogently written article posted at medium.com. Let me guess, Mr. Newdick does not have a degree in English literature.

Sorry, and maybe I misunderstand Your comment, but why do You thin so in regard to NOT having a degree in English literature ?? Is his English so bad ?

I know him since many years both from Harpia Publishing (for my book) and Combat Aircraft Monthly where he's always responsible to edit my typical "German-School-English" into an understandable and readable text and so far I think he did a fine job.

delft said:
One quibble: I cannot imagine that the fixed wing AEW&C aircraft will be a modification of the Y-7. JZY-01 will surely be testing the aerodynamics around the radome and tail and probably also test relevant electronics but the structure of the carrier plane will be subjected to such different forces that it will have to be a new design.

Me too ! This part was cut a bit by the explanation that currently such it type might be under development and so far only a testbed based on a modified Y-7 has been flown.

Deino

delft · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Deino said:
Sorry, and maybe I misunderstand Your comment, but why do You thin so in regard to NOT having a degree in English literature ?? Is his English so bad ?

I know him since many years both from Harpia Publishing (for my book) and Combat Aircraft Monthly where he's always responsible to edit my typical "German-School-English" into an understandable and readable text and so far I think he did a fine job.

Me too ! This part was cut a bit by the explanation that currently such it type might be under development and so far only a testbed based on a modified Y-7 has been flown.

Deino

No doubt by78 refers to David Axe's degree in English Literature.

adeptitus · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

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"For starters, the single-seat J-15 has now been joined by the two-seat J-15S model. The tandem-seat J-15S first appeared back in 2012. It’s still unclear whether the J-15S is a trainer with a secondary combat capability, or if it’s a primarily a long-range bomber like the American F-15E.

It would be surprising if the J-15S doesn’t include at least some of the advanced indigenous avionics fitted to the land-based J-16, a Chinese version of the Russian Su-30MKK multi-role strike fighter that seems certain to have entered production earlier this year."

I'm not understanding why the author would compare a 2-seat variant of J-15 to the F-15E?

kwaigonegin · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

adeptitus said:
"For starters, the single-seat J-15 has now been joined by the two-seat J-15S model. The tandem-seat J-15S first appeared back in 2012. It’s still unclear whether the J-15S is a trainer with a secondary combat capability, or if it’s a primarily a long-range bomber like the American F-15E.

It would be surprising if the J-15S doesn’t include at least some of the advanced indigenous avionics fitted to the land-based J-16, a Chinese version of the Russian Su-30MKK multi-role strike fighter that seems certain to have entered production earlier this year."

I'm not understanding why the author would compare a 2-seat variant of J-15 to the F-15E?

Why not? that's a fair comparison. He said he wasn't sure if the two holer was actually just cutting another hole to put a trainer in there or it's more than that like the Strike Eagle where there is an actual wizzo behind.

In other words he was asking if the J-15S more like the F-15B or the F-15E. totally different mission profile on the same basic airframe.

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