PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

by78 · Mar 4, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Deino said:
Sorry, and maybe I misunderstand Your comment, but why do You thin so in regard to NOT having a degree in English literature ?? Is his English so bad ?

I know him since many years both from Harpia Publishing (for my book) and Combat Aircraft Monthly where he's always responsible to edit my typical "German-School-English" into an understandable and readable text and so far I think he did a fine job.

Deino, you missed my point completely.

I was referring to David Axe, who has an English Literature degree.

Your friend's English is just fine, and his article is very well written.

Deino · Mar 5, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

by78 said:
Deino, you missed my point completely.

I was referring to David Axe, who has an English Literature degree.

Your friend's English is just fine, and his article is very well written.

Then I need to apologise ... I really misunderstaood You.

Sorry,
Deino

Blitzo · Mar 5, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

I suppose the article is one of the better ones posted on war is boring in the sense that it doesn't make any major mistakes.

However there is a little part where the author says "Intriguingly, China appears to be planning to use its carriers to hunt submarines, a capability most other navies have abandoned, owing to its complexity and the perceived reduction in the undersea threat."

I have no idea where he extrapolated that from. The presence of the Z-18FQ doesn't mean liaoning is only going to carry ASW choppers, hell we don't even conclusively know if Z-18FQ will be necessarily stationed on liaoning. But if it is, it would hardly be strange, because all flattops have an ASW airwing component anyway.
So no, the liaoning isn't planning on using liaoning to "hunt submarines," because there is no evidence for that. More likely, they will carry a small ASW centred airwing onboard for anti submarine missions when they arise, but it will be a small fraction of the overall airwing.

Also, there's the payload of J-15 which he kind of glosses over, but I can accept that it may be a little much for some writers to consider that fighters can actually take off from ski jumps with heavy payloads.

by78 · Mar 5, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Deino said:
Then I need to apologise ... I really misunderstaood You.

Sorry,
Deino

It's all fine, Deino.

Absolutely no need to apologize

Jeff Head · Mar 5, 2014

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Air Wing look like?

Bltizo said:
However there is a little part where the author says "Intriguingly, China appears to be planning to use its carriers to hunt submarines, a capability most other navies have abandoned, owing to its complexity and the perceived reduction in the undersea threat."

... the liaoning isn't planning on using liaoning to "hunt submarines," because there is no evidence for that. More likely, they will carry a small ASW centred airwing onboard for anti submarine missions when they arise, but it will be a small fraction of the overall airwing.

Exactly Bltizo.

Usually, the ASW groups on the carriers (outside of the longer ranged S-3s the US carriers used to carry) are used for close-in...inner ring...ASW duties to protect the carrier and its immediate goal keeper escort. While the other DDGs and FFGs and their helos cover the other threat axis approaches further out.

In addition, you will have an SSN ranging around the carrier for ASW duties.

The JMSDF Hyuga carriers are better examples of what he is talking about...having a carrier tasked as the centerpieces of a hunter killer ASW group/task force.

The Liaoling is clearly going to be a traditional CV, whose ASW aircraft help protect it while it conducts its principle mission...that of conducting strike at sea and air support operations with its strike aircraft..

Jeff Head · Mar 6, 2014