PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

If US and China becomes hostile, then china would be in a very bad situation, both militarily and diplomatically.

Actually if the US and China become openly hostile, the entire world will be in a bad situation! the economies of the two countries are too tied together that any serious fracture will cause very serious problems.. there would'nt be a cold war vis a vis NATO/WP like in the 60s, 70s and 80s.. it would be very very different.
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Actually if the US and China become openly hostile, the entire world will be in a bad situation! the economies of the two countries are too tied together that any serious fracture will cause very serious problems.. there would'nt be a cold war vis a vis NATO/WP like in the 60s, 70s and 80s.. it would be very very different.

Yes, but if it were to come to an open breach, the US in the foreseeable future would be in a much better position to weather the consequences. The US is expected, not merely wishfully hoped to be, energy independent before 2020. The US has a far stronger system of alliances. The US is not bordered by any significant country likely to be responsive to chinese entreaties, unlike china. The US is at a greatly superior geographic position for the purpose of home defence. The US is far less susceptible to crippling internal ethnic and regional tensions than china for the foreseeable future. For china open breach with the US in the next 10-15 years would be Gottendammerung. For the US, open breach with china is survivable.

Given the asymmetry in the ability of china and US to weather an open breach, I think the current equilibrium is not as stable as you think.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

I think so long as US and China do not become overtly hostile, then for the foreseeable future china will only seek and maintain numerical superiority over Japan or India individually, but will not seek numerical superiority over both combined. China being in the middle, will have an easier time relying on interior lines of communication and movement to meet each threat in turn with superior individual might than India or Japan would have relying on exterior lines of movement to meet china with superior combined might.

If US and China becomes hostile, then china would be in a very bad situation, both militarily and diplomatically.
Au contraire, I think that China's carrier ambitions will be dictated far more by power projection needs than defensive ones. For now, I think China's focus is on establishing itself as another global power. If they can strike major alliances around the world they can establish bases that alleviate concerns of being surrounded. So long as we assume that there's no near term tensions that could explode into a conflict, I think that makes far more strategic sense.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Great news on the JFK museum.. The ball is rolling.. downhill!

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By Michelle R. Smith
The Associated Press
© September 8, 2013

PROVIDENCE, R.I.

The effort to bring the retired aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy to Rhode Island for use as a museum has passed another hurdle with the town council in Middletown voting to support the project in concept.

Frank Lennon, president of the nonprofit Rhode Island Aviation Hall of Fame, said the 6-1 vote Tuesday doesn't commit the town to anything. But he said it's an important show of local support to the Navy, which will ultimately decide whether the group can have the ship. The Hall of Fame has been working since 2010 to bring the aircraft carrier to the state.

He said the project would be good news for Rhode Island.

"This is the antidote to 38 Studios," he said, referring to the failed $75 million state loan guarantee to former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling's video game company. "This is a potential major economic engine that's going to have positive economic impact. It's going to create jobs, and it's not going to cost the state any money."

He said they hope to use it not just as a museum but also as a family attraction, education resource and job training center.

The carrier, known as Big John, was the last conventionally powered aircraft carrier built by the Navy and once carried 4,600 crew members and 70 combat aircraft. It was built in Virginia and christened in 1967 by Kennedy's 9-year-old daughter, Caroline. It was active in both Iraq wars and the war in Afghanistan and decommissioned in 2007. The 1,050-foot ship is being kept in Philadelphia.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: Aircraft Carriers II

Regarding aircraft carrier hanger sizes, I have been doing a little looking and have found several. Here's what I have so far:

Aircraft Carrier Hanger Sizes:

US Navy USS Ford & Nimitz CVN
685 ft long x 110 ft wide x 25 ft tall

Russian Kuznetsov & Chinese Liaoning CV
595 ft long x 96 ft wide x 25 ft tall

Royal Navy HMS Queen Elizabeth CV
550 ft long x 90 ft wide x 25 ft tall

French Navy Charle de Gaulle CVN
452 ft long x 95 ft wide x 20 ft tall

Japanese JS Imuzo CVH
550 ft long x 80ft wide x 22 ft tall

US Navy USS America LHA
425 ft long x 86 ft wide x 25 ft tall

Royal Navy HMS Illustrious CVH
475 ft long x 55 ft wide x 22 ft tall

Japanese JS Hyuga CVH
350 ft long x 60 ft wide x 22 ft tall

US Navy USS Wasp LHD
265 ft long x 76 ft wide x 22 ft tall

I am looking for the Vikramaditya specifications. I have some general numbers but want to nail them down. Also looking for the HMS Ocean, French Mistral, the Spanish Juan Carlos, Australian Canberras, the Italian Cavour, etc.
 

AeroEngineer

Junior Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Breaking news, Breaking News !!!!!

Chinese aircraft carrier under construction at Dalian:

1. It is 5% larger around 72,000 tons.
2. It has a 10% larger flight deck than Liaoning.
3. It has a 40% larger hanger than Liaoning!!

Here:

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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Post an link to an actual article
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and translate it it..thank you.
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Au contraire, I think that China's carrier ambitions will be dictated far more by power projection needs than defensive ones. For now, I think China's focus is on establishing itself as another global power. If they can strike major alliances around the world they can establish bases that alleviate concerns of being surrounded. So long as we assume that there's no near term tensions that could explode into a conflict, I think that makes far more strategic sense.

The pride comes before the fall.

Seriously, a navy needs to meet the defensive needs of the state first, only when its resources are more than required for defence, could it embark on the luxury of strategic offensive mindset.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Breaking news, Breaking News !!!!!

Chinese aircraft carrier under construction at Dalian:

1. It is 5% larger around 72,000 tons.
2. It has a 10% larger flight deck than Liaoning.
3. It has a 40% larger hanger than Liaoning!!

Here:

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Hmmm very interesting development!! or is this totally Bravo Sierra?? but sounds legit..
speculation it could possibly be an actual flat top as oppose to ramp! so what the heck is that ramp thing we saw inside in all those pictures?
surely PLAN can't be developing Liaoning #2 AND a CV at the same time can she???!?!?:confused:

says design 'inspired 'somewhat after the French PA2.. can't be.. It's too soon!:confused:

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