PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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As expected the interruption of trading in CSIC shares since May was connected with the production of aircraft carriers, although this article still can't say which yard will build the next one.
Notice the price expected for each carrier fleet, $20b, nearly twice the value of the shipbuilding concern.
This financial change will likely also spur the export of naval vessels.
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that's just some "expert forecasts". Who knows what these experts are. I would take that with a grain of salt.
 
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delft

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

tphuang said:
that's just some "expert forecasts". Who knows what these experts are. I would take that with a grain of salt.
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I do take it with a few grains of salt but the company has chosen these "experts" to cite in its posting on the web site of the Shanghai stock
exchange so it shouldn't be BS. Of course they are protected by the fact that the shares are sold to up to ten selected investors.
Or do you think they can be investing in something not connected with flattops?
 
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delft said:
I do take it with a few grains of salt but the company has chosen these "experts" to cite in its posting on the web site of the Shanghai stock
exchange so it shouldn't be BS. Of course they are protected by the fact that the shares are sold to up to ten selected investors.
Or do you think they can be investing in something not connected with flattops?
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well, i'm sure it's connected to flat tops, but it's really hard to know exactly the cost when we don't know what a carrier fleet for PLAN consists of at this point and certainly only a limited portion of that will go to the shipbuilders, with the rest going to suppliers, contractors and AVIC1.
 
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drunkmunky

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That is a very important forecast.. Without privatization and sales to fund the Chinese Economy, I fear that the Chinese Military Complex could eventually fold like the Soviet example when economic downturn occurs.

I'm very happy about this, although, I'm concerned about the whole arms embargo...
 
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drunkmunky said:
That is a very important forecast.. Without privatization and sales to fund the Chinese Economy, I fear that the Chinese Military Complex could eventually fold like the Soviet example when economic downturn occurs.

I'm very happy about this, although, I'm concerned about the whole arms embargo...
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Given how state centralized and concentrated capital is in China, and how different the Chinese and Soviet economic systems are, I'm somewhat doubtful that's a reasonable forecast.
 
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drunkmunky said:
That is a very important forecast.. Without privatization and sales to fund the Chinese Economy, I fear that the Chinese Military Complex could eventually fold like the Soviet example when economic downturn occurs.

I'm very happy about this, although, I'm concerned about the whole arms embargo...
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I doubt that China will suffer the same fate like Soviet Union since she limit the defense expenditure to 1-1/2 % of GDP the lowest rate of expenditure among the major power. No less than 6 or 7% of Government expenditure. At its height Soviet Union spend 50% of government expenditure(NOT GDP) for defense(capital cost, operation cost) .

But I share your thought that it is a major change in procurement policy. I am also glad that they now involve the private sector in defense procurement .It bode well for the future of Chinese defense industry.What arm embargo are talking the one now in place like ITAR

I hope they keep it as long as possible. Nothing spur the domestic defense technology more than embargo because they have no choice but to go it on their own.

Going back to Carrier, now that funding is settled, it just matter of time before they built the Carrier
 
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delft

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Comparing QE class and Adm K class: the ships have a similar size, but the older class has the larger hangar. A Chinese CV 001A would likely have an even longer hangar. What are the Brits up to?
 
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Planning for the future.
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or planing on deploying USMC Harriers or F-35Bs.:)..plus it's good to have extra room on a CV.

Jeff.. I can't find any figures on the demensions of Essex & Midway class CV hangars. If you have them please post. thanks!
 
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Jeff, if you can for Clemenceau also please.

I search for CDG.
 
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Newport News Shipbuilding said:
On Saturday, November 9, 2013, Newport News Shipbuilding will christen the nation's newest aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) during a ceremony on-site where the ship is being constructed. President Gerald R. Ford was the 38th President of the United States. His daughter, Susan Ford Bales, will serve as the ship's sponsor, performing the traditional honor of breaking a bottle of American sparkling wine across the ship's bow during the ceremony.

Prior to the ceremony, the dry dock in which CVN 78 was structurally built will be flooded, preparing the ship for launch in the days following her christening. The christening ceremony will be held in front of the ship's bow.

Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) is the first of a new class of aircraft carriers, the first new design since USS Nimitz, which was launched in 1972. Redesigned from keel to mast, the ship will be able to launch aircraft more quickly while costing less to maintain, saving the Navy a projected $4 billion over the ship's 50-year lifespan.
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This is GREAT and exciting news. Another day long awaited and a very histroical day for the US Navy as a new class of carriers is launched and developed. If things go as planned, it will be another 40-50 years before another new class is launched and christened like this again.

BTW, poepye and Forbin, I will do some research tonight and try to get those figures for you if I can.
 
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