PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
lol. This is weird, people drawing over a photo showing an aircraft carrier to avoid censorship. I guess that could only happen in china
lol. This is weird, people drawing over a photo showing an aircraft carrier to avoid censorship. I guess that could only happen in china
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
sounds beyond far fetched to me. I mean even if it were done I don't think that Chinese Security are that stupid. If they see evidence that someone connected to a Secret program is leaking even "drawings". the Poor SOB is likely to be getting a visit by some very unhappy and unfriendly characters.
sounds beyond far fetched to me. I mean even if it were done I don't think that Chinese Security are that stupid. If they see evidence that someone connected to a Secret program is leaking even "drawings". the Poor SOB is likely to be getting a visit by some very unhappy and unfriendly characters.
cn_habs
Junior Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
If reinforcing national security is called censorship then the same things is in full effect in the US as well as shown in the Manning's recent conviction and sentence.
This is not exactly the censorship that restricts some wannabe artist talking shit about the political leadership.
If reinforcing national security is called censorship then the same things is in full effect in the US as well as shown in the Manning's recent conviction and sentence.
This is not exactly the censorship that restricts some wannabe artist talking shit about the political leadership.
MwRYum
Major
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
Do not forget, in China the community of bloggers who published pics of such with at least some credibility (aka a trustworthy source), is actually of a very small one, and the nature of China's internet structure that means the state security apparatus knows exactly who they are. In essence, what they could publish at any time is a controlled and calculated affair by the state, so by muddling the pic but not that much "shows" something is happening, but not disclosing exactly where and when.
A trickling effect of information release, if you may, just that China doesn't play it out as classy as the West does, that's all.
Do not forget, in China the community of bloggers who published pics of such with at least some credibility (aka a trustworthy source), is actually of a very small one, and the nature of China's internet structure that means the state security apparatus knows exactly who they are. In essence, what they could publish at any time is a controlled and calculated affair by the state, so by muddling the pic but not that much "shows" something is happening, but not disclosing exactly where and when.
A trickling effect of information release, if you may, just that China doesn't play it out as classy as the West does, that's all.
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
There is this running joke of Chinese leakers frequently claiming that they simply found the pictures in lost memory sticks that they happen to have picked up. Or it was a CD, removable hard drive, or even a floppy!
Other times they just claimed to have got inspirations from dreams, lol, and draw something similar but not exactly the same to the original leak.
There is this running joke of Chinese leakers frequently claiming that they simply found the pictures in lost memory sticks that they happen to have picked up. Or it was a CD, removable hard drive, or even a floppy!
Other times they just claimed to have got inspirations from dreams, lol, and draw something similar but not exactly the same to the original leak.
Re: PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme..News & Views
As someone who has also been involved and has watched vessels being built in docks since the late 1970s, I can say you are comparing apples and oranges when you show slight unevenness in plates resulting from weld cooling or the noticeable dishing of plates between frames that proliforates when ships have been in service for a while and have plowed through their share of waves and equate them with the considerable uneveness of surface curvature in both direction on the brand new Vikrant's ramp sides, which could only resulting from very slack fabrication standard. The sides of the ramp show several fabrication sins. One, the curvature of the ramp side does not appear to vary smoothly in either direction. This suggest the frames underneath aren't cut very precisely, or the plates were shaped poorly and not welded to the frames. Two, the sides do not seem to fair evenly and smoothly into the ramp top. It's not clear to me how this can come about, except also the frames for the sides didn't fit the shape of the ramp. I have to say unless shadows and paint textures are playing very severe tricks on me, the sides of vikrant's ramp look to be the most crude piece of fabrication I've ever seen on the outside of a ship from a major modern yard. Only comparably crude pieces of fabrication I saw on outsides of ships were on products of small to medium sized inland riverine yards in third world countries in the 1970s and 1980s.
I agree the bow of Vikrant between the waterline and maybe 10 feet below the ramp look as good as what would be expected on a large ship with relatively sumple hull shape produces by a major modern yard. But I think the standard of fabrication of the outside of the main hull tell less about how well the innards of a carrier built innthis yard will go together than standard of fabrication of specialty parts with relatively small diameter compound curves.
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As someone who has also been involved and has watched vessels being built in docks since the late 1970s, I can say you are comparing apples and oranges when you show slight unevenness in plates resulting from weld cooling or the noticeable dishing of plates between frames that proliforates when ships have been in service for a while and have plowed through their share of waves and equate them with the considerable uneveness of surface curvature in both direction on the brand new Vikrant's ramp sides, which could only resulting from very slack fabrication standard. The sides of the ramp show several fabrication sins. One, the curvature of the ramp side does not appear to vary smoothly in either direction. This suggest the frames underneath aren't cut very precisely, or the plates were shaped poorly and not welded to the frames. Two, the sides do not seem to fair evenly and smoothly into the ramp top. It's not clear to me how this can come about, except also the frames for the sides didn't fit the shape of the ramp. I have to say unless shadows and paint textures are playing very severe tricks on me, the sides of vikrant's ramp look to be the most crude piece of fabrication I've ever seen on the outside of a ship from a major modern yard. Only comparably crude pieces of fabrication I saw on outsides of ships were on products of small to medium sized inland riverine yards in third world countries in the 1970s and 1980s.
I agree the bow of Vikrant between the waterline and maybe 10 feet below the ramp look as good as what would be expected on a large ship with relatively sumple hull shape produces by a major modern yard. But I think the standard of fabrication of the outside of the main hull tell less about how well the innards of a carrier built innthis yard will go together than standard of fabrication of specialty parts with relatively small diameter compound curves.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Construction
Well we know what makes sense and what doesnt
The carrier build at Dalian is very likely, why wouldn't it be, Liaoning has certified it fists pilots and the programme is in full swing, infact the design was probably finalised few years back with long lead materials ordered in recent time
I expect the coming google map images later in the year will show carrier production at Dalian, I also fully expect the carrier to have similarities to the Liaoning minus the inherit design flaws which PLAN has identified during the rebuild, that makes sense, if we don't see google images we could learn from of the confirmation from government officials before hand
The images of the module at JNCX are possibly older, a flat top at that yard also make sense, building two flat tops is not beyond the scope of Chinese shipyards both at the same time
Also the timing is correct too, before this year is out we will have some solid information on what's at stake here
Well we know what makes sense and what doesnt
The carrier build at Dalian is very likely, why wouldn't it be, Liaoning has certified it fists pilots and the programme is in full swing, infact the design was probably finalised few years back with long lead materials ordered in recent time
I expect the coming google map images later in the year will show carrier production at Dalian, I also fully expect the carrier to have similarities to the Liaoning minus the inherit design flaws which PLAN has identified during the rebuild, that makes sense, if we don't see google images we could learn from of the confirmation from government officials before hand
The images of the module at JNCX are possibly older, a flat top at that yard also make sense, building two flat tops is not beyond the scope of Chinese shipyards both at the same time
Also the timing is correct too, before this year is out we will have some solid information on what's at stake here