PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Was there any sign of a propulsion system already installed on the Varyag or did I miss that?

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

crobato said:

2015, 2017, does not matter for a nation that's been around for 5000 years and looking at the long run. The important thing is that they apparently have made a decision.

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Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

crobato said:

2015, 2017, does not matter for a nation that's been around for 5000 years and looking at the long run. The important thing is that they apparently have made a decision.

Click to expand...

Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

crobato said:

2015, 2017, does not matter for a nation that's been around for 5000 years and looking at the long run. The important thing is that they apparently have made a decision.

Click to expand...

Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

PrOeLiTeZ said:

those images on CCTV7 are references in a interview referring to other nations concept designs of possible 4th generation designs (5th in Western language). And how China next 4th generation fighter will play a role in the PLAAF in countering future threats. Mostly the threat is considered the F-22, but also some mention of the Russian-Indian fighters is another candidate.

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I see. But has there been there hasn't been any indication that the J-13 is intended to be in the same league as the F-22, huitong said the design would be 'semi-stealth' which sounds like using certain stealth components but not as 'completele' as the F-22 or F-35.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

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Well, at this point, both the Japanese and South Koreans are still ahead of China in terms of naval aviation -- the Japanese with the Hyuga and the South Koreans with the Dokdo. If the new Chinese carriers were indeed intended to be deployed to the South China Sea, I'd imagine the Vietnamese and Filipinos to be more worried.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

Click to expand...

Well, at this point, both the Japanese and South Koreans are still ahead of China in terms of naval aviation -- the Japanese with the Hyuga and the South Koreans with the Dokdo. If the new Chinese carriers were indeed intended to be deployed to the South China Sea, I'd imagine the Vietnamese and Filipinos to be more worried.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Agreed that in the long run a couple of years is not going to make much difference...except you will see other nations use that time to buid in response themselves ie. South Korea and Japan among others.

Not much being said about it...but, IMHO, in the region there is a significant naval modernization and even naval arms race underway in this regard.

Click to expand...

Well, at this point, both the Japanese and South Koreans are still ahead of China in terms of naval aviation -- the Japanese with the Hyuga and the South Koreans with the Dokdo. If the new Chinese carriers were indeed intended to be deployed to the South China Sea, I'd imagine the Vietnamese and Filipinos to be more worried.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

panzerkom said:

Well, at this point, both the Japanese and South Koreans are still ahead of China in terms of naval aviation -- the Japanese with the Hyuga and the South Koreans with the Dokdo. If the new Chinese carriers were indeed intended to be deployed to the South China Sea, I'd imagine the Vietnamese and Filipinos to be more worried.

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See more info at my WorldWideAircraftCarrier site for the:





I am well aware of the capabilities of both carriers...but neither of those classes will compare to what the Chinese ar e proposing in their new indigenous carriers, or the former Varyag for that matter.

Until you see F-35s on the decks of those carriers, neither of them can come close to comparing with a wing of SU-27s or anything similar flying off the decks of these Chinese carriers.

My guess is, if this becomes reality, you may well see provisions for the F-35s on the decks of both the South Korean and Japanese carriers. Though it may take significant refit to be able to actually logistically support and maintain them in the hangar spaces.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

panzerkom said:

Well, at this point, both the Japanese and South Koreans are still ahead of China in terms of naval aviation -- the Japanese with the Hyuga and the South Koreans with the Dokdo. If the new Chinese carriers were indeed intended to be deployed to the South China Sea, I'd imagine the Vietnamese and Filipinos to be more worried.

Click to expand...

See more info at my WorldWideAircraftCarrier site for the:





I am well aware of the capabilities of both carriers...but neither of those classes will compare to what the Chinese ar e proposing in their new indigenous carriers, or the former Varyag for that matter.

Until you see F-35s on the decks of those carriers, neither of them can come close to comparing with a wing of SU-27s or anything similar flying off the decks of these Chinese carriers.

My guess is, if this becomes reality, you may well see provisions for the F-35s on the decks of both the South Korean and Japanese carriers. Though it may take significant refit to be able to actually logistically support and maintain them in the hangar spaces.