PLAN Carrier Construction

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Breaking news, Breaking News !!!!!

Chinese aircraft carrier under construction at Dalian:

1. It is 5% larger around 72,000 tons.
2. It has a 10% larger flight deck than Liaoning.
3. It has a 40% larger hanger than Liaoning!!

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Hmmm very interesting development!! or is this totally Bravo Sierra?? but sounds legit..
speculation it could possibly be an actual flat top as oppose to ramp! so what the heck is that ramp thing we saw inside in all those pictures?
surely PLAN can't be developing Liaoning #2 AND a CV at the same time can she???!?!?:confused:

says design 'inspired 'somewhat after the French PA2.. can't be.. It's too soon!:confused:

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chuck731

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Maybe dailian championed a ramp equipped STOBAR design, built a demo module, but lost?

I don't know how the naval construction establishment of PLAN works. Does the navy independently design all adpects of their own vessels, and dictate detailed specifics in contracts to the ship builders? Or does tge navy only specify the broad outline of what they want and leave a great deal of the detailed desgn to an outside naval architecture establishment that might be attached to a major ship builder?

If it is the latter, then dailian and shanghai might not only compete only on the level of actual construction contract, but also on the level of general design, even to the point of influencing the type of carrier the navy gets.

Just a thought.
 

cn_habs

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Breaking news, Breaking News !!!!!

Chinese aircraft carrier under construction at Dalian:

1. It is 5% larger around 72,000 tons.
2. It has a 10% larger flight deck than Liaoning.
3. It has a 40% larger hanger than Liaoning!!

Here:

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What's that guy's credibility like? Is he a big shrimp?
 

Blitzo

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Hmmm very interesting development!! or is this totally Bravo Sierra?? but sounds legit..
speculation it could possibly be an actual flat top as oppose to ramp! so what the heck is that ramp thing we saw inside in all those pictures?
surely PLAN can't be developing Liaoning #2 AND a CV at the same time can she???!?!?:confused:

says design 'inspired 'somewhat after the French PA2.. can't be.. It's too soon!:confused:

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Which post mentions the idea that this ship may be CATOBAR?

This will be a surprise if true -- everyone was of the consensus the second CV would be 001A rather than 002.
Then again I'd like to wait until a few other big shrimps or posters of high repute start agreeing with this.


Edit: the description reminds me of this:

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Maybe dailian championed a ramp equipped STOBAR design, built a demo module, but lost?

I don't know how the naval construction establishment of PLAN works. Does the navy independently design all adpects of their own vessels, and dictate detailed specifics in contracts to the ship builders? Or does tge navy only specify the broad outline of what they want and leave a great deal of the detailed desgn to an outside naval architecture establishment that might be attached to a major ship builder?

If it is the latter, then dailian and shanghai might not only compete only on the level of actual construction contract, but also on the level of general design, even to the point of influencing the type of carrier the navy gets.

Just a thought.

Well we recently saw both JNCX's catobar proposal, and DL's STOBAR proposal... I wonder if maybe both demo modules were competitors for the same PLAN contract? That is to say, JN and DL would both design the ship, and whoever's design won the PLAN's support would end up being produced by both shipyards, that way the shipbuilding capacity of both shipyards can be used to full effect?

All assumptions of course.
At this stage we don't even know if there really is a carrier being built at DL (we've only seen the ski jump which may or may not be a demo module), and we certainly don't know if its hangar really is 40% larger than liaoning, let alone whether it's CATOBAR.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
The pride comes before the fall.

Seriously, a navy needs to meet the defensive needs of the state first, only when its resources are more than required for defence, could it embark on the luxury of strategic offensive mindset.
I wouldn't disagree. I guess my point is that given the current relative stability of the international environment, it's easier and more efficient for China to build its carrier force towards its power projection abilities then to simply think defensively, particularly as it already has an immediate need for them. If that relative stability changes, that would of course change the calculus.
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
What's that guy's credibility like? Is he a big shrimp?

Just for the sake of discussion, a 40% increase in hanger volume over Liaoning would put PLAN's new 'new' carrier's hanger almost the same size as a US supercarrier. It will have no problem embarking 36 J 15s and can maybe even squeeze in 48!!!

Personally I find that hard to believe so I may have to debunk it but of course I hope I am proven wrong ;)
It's too soon. Its not 2025 yet LOL
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Just for the sake of discussion, a 40% increase in hanger volume over Liaoning would put PLAN's new 'new' carrier's hanger almost the same size as a US supercarrier. It will have no problem embarking 36 J 15s and can maybe even squeeze in 48!!!

Personally I find that hard to believe so I may have to debunk it but of course I hope I am proven wrong ;)
It's too soon. Its not 2025 yet LOL

The rumor said that the volume of the storage will increase by 40%, not what was thought before.
 

SinoSoldier

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中国重工今日复牌,披露总募资近85亿元的定增预案,其中逾30亿用于收购超大型水面舰船等军工重大装备总装资产,开创了此类核心军工资产证券化的先河,并将开启新一轮军工重组进程。其中,32.75亿元用于收购超大型水面舰船、大中型水面舰船、常规潜艇、大型登陆舰等军工重大装备总装资产。
目前市场连续天量,各种题材此起彼伏,干柴烈火热点不断。中国重工适时复牌,航空母舰第一股的上市,又将点上一把大火,完全有可能复制外高桥的走势,并刺激相关影子股的躁动。
因为中国重工复牌前处于历史底部,只有4.52元,绝对价格很低,上升空间极大,应该能够学习天舟文化、江苏宏宝、外高桥等前辈,再现十连涨的一字涨停的壮观景象,甚至超过。
中国重工一时买不到了,只有当观众的份,但中国重工的影子股却有可能因此得益,喜欢中国重工的投资者,可先狙击中国重工的影子股。
我们对中国重工的影子股做一个分类:
1、最直接受着者:中信证券,持有中国重工5.8亿股,为中国重工的第三大股东,直接享受中国重工重组盛宴。这是外高桥、江苏宏宝、天舟文化盛宴中,二级市场上市公司所不具备的。
2、控股股东中国船舶重工集团(北方公司)旗下的另一兄弟上市公司:风帆股份。
3、中船集团(南方公司)下属的上市公司:中国船舶、中船股份、广船国际。
4、航空母舰舰载机及其他方面与航空母舰有关的上市公司,但此类公司只能是跟风炒作,持续性不会太强。
 

delft

Brigadier
I wouldn't disagree. I guess my point is that given the current relative stability of the international environment, it's easier and more efficient for China to build its carrier force towards its power projection abilities then to simply think defensively, particularly as it already has an immediate need for them. If that relative stability changes, that would of course change the calculus.
The international environment might be relatively stable for the next days, or even months if the US doesn't attack Syria, but you can't defend the notion that it is stable for the next ten years, relevant for deciding the configuration of a flattop. Not while the FED, BoJ and other central bankers create billions of dollars or pounds, trillions of yen &c. each month out of thin air.
 
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