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Never mind the fact that an integrated solution doesn't reduce launch space. An integrated solution cannot reduce as much space as a catapult that is only one meter in length, positioned right at the bow.
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PLAN Carrier Construction
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Never mind the fact that an integrated solution doesn't reduce launch space. An integrated solution cannot reduce as much space as a catapult that is only one meter in length, positioned right at the bow.
Can you explain?franco-russe
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Not entirely silent. The US will release information on PLAN carrier construction and/or imagery to Google Earth when they find the time is ripe.
Non do they mention anything about J-15 doing take off and landing onboard CV-16 successfully even before Liaoning is commissioned... With their satelite monitoring CV-16 Liaoning activities, I doubt US do not know about it.
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No matter how small you think your integrated solution would be, it will not be as small as having a catapult that can accelerate an aircraft from 0 to 300 km in only one meter of space.
I didnt know that GE gets imagery from government satellites. I was aware that they only get acess to commercial satellites imagery. Well, you dont need spy satellites to take pictures. Commercial ones can do it.
You'd kill the pilot.
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Any reduction in launch space means higher acceleration is needed, which places more stress on both pilots and aircraft. Yet, your so call advantage of integrated solution is all about reducing launch space, which is actually a disadvantage. This makes your whole idea impractical.
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The advantage of the ski ramp is that you leave it at about two third of speed necessary for a straight cat. So with the same acceleration the length of the cat and of the ramp is about half that of a straight cat. There's your advantage.
Any reduction in launch space means higher acceleration is needed, which places more stress on both pilots and aircraft. Yet, your so call advantage of integrated solution is all about reducing launch space, which is actually a disadvantage. This makes your whole idea impractical.
Maybe you'd save some deck space, but the cat system below deck is just going to be as massive as a full cat, so you complicate ship layout by requiring that installed plus the ski jump.
If you looks at Liaoning compared to Nimitz (to borrow Jeffs pic):
The bow length used to launch aircraft is more or less the same with cat compared to sky jump. (cat seems even longer in fact) The only reason you can park some aircraft on the bow of Nimitz is because the bow is flat. In that case wouldn't it be better to simple ditch the ski jump and go directly with cat? If you want to park more aircraft, the simpliest way and straight to the solution is to build a bigger carrier with larger flight deck space, like the Nimitz compared to Liaoning even though she had a longer bow for launching aircraft.
Let's look at the Liaoning's short take off positions. They are very close to the curve of the bow ramp. In fact there is not much straight distance from the take off position to when the bow starts to curve. So even if you install cats there how much distance can you save? Gotta remember that if you save distance by moving the take-off position forward, you'd have even less straight distance to install a cat - so you end up with a cat that is short and not efficient in what it does anyway for all the troubles that you'd have to go through installing, operating and maintaining it.
Better to just go big and catobar. Quantity has a quality all its own. I'd say the same thing with size.
If you looks at Liaoning compared to Nimitz (to borrow Jeffs pic):
The bow length used to launch aircraft is more or less the same with cat compared to sky jump. (cat seems even longer in fact) The only reason you can park some aircraft on the bow of Nimitz is because the bow is flat. In that case wouldn't it be better to simple ditch the ski jump and go directly with cat? If you want to park more aircraft, the simpliest way and straight to the solution is to build a bigger carrier with larger flight deck space, like the Nimitz compared to Liaoning even though she had a longer bow for launching aircraft.
Let's look at the Liaoning's short take off positions. They are very close to the curve of the bow ramp. In fact there is not much straight distance from the take off position to when the bow starts to curve. So even if you install cats there how much distance can you save? Gotta remember that if you save distance by moving the take-off position forward, you'd have even less straight distance to install a cat - so you end up with a cat that is short and not efficient in what it does anyway for all the troubles that you'd have to go through installing, operating and maintaining it.
Better to just go big and catobar. Quantity has a quality all its own. I'd say the same thing with size.
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