PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

asif iqbal said:

this may sound like a overkill but i think PLAN should think about sending a Submarine, it would be massively beneifical to the crews if for example they sailed through the Suez Canal, while on the way there they would pass through 2 very narrow choke points, the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait and the Suez Canel, these are very difficult to navigate and only for the very experienced submarine commanders, if it was a nuclear submarine the pressure would be even higher

also its a high intenisty area, with threats of terrorism and piracy, again wouldd provided unparaelled experience to the crews

all Submarines must pass the straits while surfaced, then they could dive deep into the Red Sea, the whole operation would be great for China and the lessons learnt brought back and taught to others

Last year Type 054A frigates crossed Suez Canal, that must have been fun!

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That will bring no benefits to the present anti piracy missions china said they are undertaking. Unless they're sent to survey the coast of somalia wrt piracy missions, or maybe india (non piracy). But if it's for training, they're already operating in one of the most high intensity, crowded and difficult to navigate areas of the ocean wrt ASW there are in the world, and I expect SSNs and SSKs are both being pushed to their boundaries in recent years, endurance and patrol range wise.

I recently watched a documentary on the "perisher" submarine commander course in the UK's RN where sub commanders go through a high pressure series of tests after months of simulator training in a real SSN. I wonder how the PLAN's SSK and SSN crews compare to those of other navies. On paper their submarine fleet and individual submarine quality is quite good. Would it be right in assuming having a sheer large number (a few dozen submarines in operation at the same time) and being able to build a modern SSK or SSN would mean your crews are proficient in operating them as well?

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As for SLCM and sub commandos -- well we know they can fire YJ-83 from torpedo tubes, but obviously a missile like tomahawk would be more along the lines of international norms in land attack. There is a train of thought that's been around for a few years that 093 can fire LACM (CJ/DH-10?) from its torpedo tubes (most SSNs can tbh). As for sub commandos; again I'm not sure you need a dedicated compartment set aside for that use (and even then, we wouldn't be able to tell it was there from photos of SSKs and SSNs). But we have seen photos of frogmen practising departure from an SSK at dock so I presume they've at least experimented with the concept if not make it an official part of SOF training.

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Yea... from sinodefence.com

PLA SOF adopts a “three-dimensional, all-weather” infiltration approach, using sea (submarine, high-speed boat, open-water swimming and scuba diving), air (airborne, powered parachute and helicopter) and land (long-distance movement and rock climbing). Chinese media has reported that PLA SOF were able to penetrate through defensive positions that use night-vision equipment, anti-infantry radar, and other hi-tech surveillance equipments.

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The 11th naval escort taskforce

Some BBC coverage of the patrols.



This guy must be new, as he didn't try say anything bad about the Chinese in his clip. Not sure he will last in the BBC with that attitude.

Does anyone know when this photo was taken?

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India, China and Japan have started implementing a new mechanism to coordinate the movement of their warships in the Gulf of Aden to provide protection to cargo vessels from sea brigands, Press Trust of India (PTI) reported.

The three countries operate independently in the Gulf of Aden to provide protection to cargo ships from pirates and are not part of the two groupings deployed there– the European EUNAVFOR and the US-led Task Force 151.

“Earlier what was happening was that the convoys of all these three countries would be spaced by few hours and there would be long hours in a day when no convoy was available for escorting the vessels,” Indian Navy’s Assistant Chief of Naval Staff (Foreign Cooperation and Naval Intelligence) Rear Admiral Monty Khanna told reporters here.

The officer was holding a briefing on the ‘Milan’ naval exercise, which started in Port Blair Wednesday.

He said now the three countries have “evolved a mechanism under which it will be ensured that there is enough gap between the Indian, Chinese and the Japanese convoy and they are well-displaced” to be able to escort a greater number of ships in a day.

Khanna was replying to a query on the lack of coordination and cooperation between the Chinese and Indian navies.

The coordination exercise among the three navies is being held under the ‘Shared Awareness And Deconfliction (SHADE)’ grouping established in December 2008 for sharing “best practices”, and activities of nations involved in counter-piracy operations in the region, officials said.

India deploys at least one warship at any point in time in the Gulf of Aden whereas the Chinese Navy has three warships including a tanker vessel for sustaining its operations there

siegecrossbow said:

Does anyone know when this photo was taken?

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I believe it's the May 11th, 2010 inspection, they found several suspicious boats and boarded them.
The SOF are from Fifth task force, DDG168 Guangzhou.

11th naval escort taskforce. SH-5

escobar said:

11th naval escort taskforce. SH-5

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I'm guessing these shots were taken while the task force was still near home waters. Otherwise, that would be a very interesting deployment. Although SH-5 has enough endurance for a convoy (assuming it has a base to return to on a daily basis), it would be too fast for ships.

If SH-5 9123 stays on the surface, I doubt that it could even keep up with the task force.

Well, joking apart, of course it is in home waters. The four SH-5 of 3 Independent PLANAF Regiment never seem to stray away far from their home base at Qingdao-Tuandao.

franco-russe said:

If SH-5 9123 stays on the surface, I doubt that it could even keep up with the task force.

Well, joking apart, of course it is in home waters. The four SH-5 of 3 Independent PLANAF Regiment never seem to stray away far from their home base at Qingdao-Tuandao.

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I was actually referring to being in the air over the convoy but yes, on the surface, it would be too slow. Maybe something like an airship would be the right "air cover" for a convoy.