PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

MwRYum

Major
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

Yes, but there's always a difference between drone patrols over land and sea and both provide valuable experience.




I don't believe what I'm suggesting is akin to sending F22s in Afghanistan because the US actually already has a drone base for anti-piracy in the Seychelles, not unless you are saying the Americans have done the equivalent. Sure, maybe the intent of the UAVs were meant for US carriers in the Pacific but mission flexibility and experience on extended ocean UAV patrols is something China could use. Having detailed info on pirate movements still benefits a convoy as I've already pointed out as well. It isn't always about chasing pirates but also about pirates heading towards a convoy. Somehow, I don't think the Seychelles sent this invite in hopes of merely seeing PLAN set up a food and stores depot.

"We have invited the Chinese government to set up a military presence on Mahe to fight the pirate attacks that the Seychelles face on a regular basis,"

"Together, we need to increase our surveillance capacity in the Indian Ocean..."

What he meant probably is that stationing UAVs overseas is a sensitive issue, not necessary good for China overall in such global climate.

If to deploy UAV, the best is to:

1. have something with endurance akin to Global Hawk, launch from China, flew over Pakistan and enter station along the convoy route - so far, something like that haven't test flight yet.

2. tactical UAV launch from the ship's deck (RATO kit for takeoff and net recovery), they've something like that serving in the army and a few models displayed as early in Zhuhai Airshow 2008. However, there has been nothing said about PLAN operate UAV from naval platform - though technologically not difficult, for they've done things far cruder in terms of adapting things for land use onto naval platform (artillery pieces onto LST, for one), but like I've pointed out earlier, the UAV suite would compete space with helicopters on frigates and destroyers, unless the mothership is a 071 LPD.

Now, the PLAN expedition's duty is predominantly convoy protection, primary model is the whole expedition (usually 2 destroyers/frigates + 1 AO ship) protect a convoy, helicopter performs the role of fast action platform; meanwhile the Somali pirates operates from modified fishing trawlers with scores of smaller boats, and they'd target one ship at a time; so far they still form an attack pack in one direction and could be detected at the horizon by the navy, which could react accordingly. Since even the UN resolution doesn't give discretion in using force, worse pirates and fishermen are one and the same, they can't do a thing until the pirates make their move.

So in such common scenario, UAV ain't necessary provide actionable intel, if not provide too much information to filter through...besides, think the PLAN would be more kin to give their pilots more flight hours to clock up this way.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

The USN is hardly active in anti-piracy patrols. They only reacted when a container ship with US weapons was seized. What they do is send UAVs to Somalia, in name to look for pirates north of Mogadishu, more probably to fight Al Shabab to the south.
 

escobar

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

PLA Navy opens first training class for escort mission
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To further promote the smooth implementation of escort missions in the Gulf of Aden and waters off Somali coast, the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) started the first training class for the escort mission at the Naval Command College (NCC) on Feb. 13, 2012.

  This training class will last for 14 days. 84 persons from the leading organs of the PLA Navy, the 12th and 13th naval escort taskforces, the North China Sea Fleet and the NCC attend the training class.

   The training class will exert effort to improve the capability of the naval commanders at all levels, the frontline commanders in particular, in executing the oceangoing diversified military tasks by ways of theory lecture, experience exchange in groups, concentrated study and discussion as well as commanding drill.

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Kurt

Junior Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

Who's the girl in the center and what's her role in training naval personnel escort services?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

It's the Chinese version of the USO, throwing a party for the troops. Organized by the Foreign ministry. Says so on the banner.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Off topic!

The USN is hardly active in anti-piracy patrols. They only reacted when a container ship with US weapons was seized.

Not true..not true at all. In 2009 the USN established a task force exclusively to fight piracy...and the USN was fighting piracy long before that date.

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The USN has been fighting piracy for over 200 years.

The US Navy aids all mariners no matter what flag they are flying. Fact..

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ARABIAN SEA (Jan. 5, 2012) The guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG 100) responds to a distress call from the master of the Iranian-flagged fishing dhow Al Molai, who claimed he was being held captive by pirates. Kidd's visit, board, search and seizure team, boarded and detained 15 suspected pirates, who were reportedly holding the 13-member Iranian crew hostage for the last several weeks. Kidd is conducting counter-piracy and maritime security operations while deployed to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo/Released)

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GULF OF ADEN (April 10, 2010) The burned out hull of a suspected pirate skiff drifts near the amphibious dock landing ship USS Ashland (LSD 48). Ashland while operating approximately 330 nautical miles off the coast of Djibouti, was fired upon and returned fire disabling a skiff manned by suspected pirates. Ashland deployed a visit, board, search and seizure team to rescue the suspects from the sea. USS Ashland is part of the Nassau Amphibious Ready Group and 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, currently supporting Maritime Security Operations (MSO) and Theater Security Cooperation (TSC) Operations in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jason R. Zalasky/Released)

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GULF OF ADEN (April 10, 2010) The burned out hull of a suspected pirate skiff drifts near the amphibious dock landing ship USS Ashland (LSD 48). Ashland while operating approximately 330 nautical miles off the coast of Djibouti, was fired upon and returned fire disabling a skiff manned by suspected pirates. Ashland deployed a visit, board, search and seizure team to rescue the suspects from the sea. USS Ashland is part of the Nassau Amphibious Ready Group and 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, currently supporting Maritime Security Operations (MSO) and Theater Security Cooperation (TSC) Operations in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jason R. Zalasky/Released)

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ARABIAN SEA (Jan. 18, 2012) Sailors from the guided-missile destroyer USS Dewey's (DDG 105) visit, board, search and seizure team provide food, water and medical supplies to distressed Iranian mariners. Dewey, assigned to Commander, Task Force 50, responded to a distress call from the Iranian fishing dhow Al Mamsoor, which indicated it was sinking and in need of assistance. Dewey is conducting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Joshua Keim/Released)

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ARABIAN SEA (Jan. 6, 2012) A Sailor assigned to the guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd's (DDG 100) visit, board, search and seizure team greets a crew member of the Iranian-flagged fishing dhow Al Molai. Kidd's visit, board, search and seizure team detained 15 suspected pirates, who were holding a 13-member Iranian crew hostage for several weeks, according to the members of the crew. Kidd is conducting counter-piracy and maritime security operations while deployed to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo/Released) )

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GULF OF ADEN (Jan. 1, 2012) Medical personnel and members of the visit, board, search and seizure team assigned to the guided-missile destroyer USS Pinckney (DDG 91) return from the cargo vessel Merchant Vessel Pucon(Liberia flag) after providing medical assistance to an injured civilian. Pinckney is assigned to Combined Task Force 151, a multinational, mission-based task force working under Combined Maritime Forces, to conduct counter-piracy operations in the Southern Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Somali Basin, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Eddie Harrison/Released)

USN/USCG Team capture 17 Somali pirates.

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GULF OF ADEN (May 13, 2009) Members of a visit, board, search and seizure (VBSS) team from the guided-missile cruiser USS Gettysburg (CG 64) and U.S. Coast Guard Tactical Law Enforcement Team South Detachment 409 capture Seventeen suspected pirates after responding to a merchant vessel distress signal while operating in the Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) area of responsibility as part of Combined Task Force (CTF) 151. CTF 151 is a multinational task force established to conduct counter-piracy operations under a mission-based mandate throughout the CMF area of responsibility to actively deter, disrupt and suppress piracy in order to protect global maritime security and secure freedom of navigation for the benefit of all nations. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Eric L. Beauregard/Released)
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GULF OF ADEN (Dec. 19, 2011) A visit, board, search and seizure team from the guided-missile destroyer USS Pinckney (DDG 91) approaches a suspected pirate vessel after the Motor Vessel Nordic Apollo reported being under attack and fired upon by pirates. Pinckney is assigned to Combined Task Force 151, a multinational, mission-based task force working under Combined Maritime Forces to conduct counter-piracy operations in the Southern Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Somali Basin, Arabian Sea, and Indian Ocean. (U.S. Navy photos/Released)
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ARABIAN SEA (Feb. 2, 2011) Skiffs being towed by a suspected pirate mothership are destroyed by weapons fire from the guided-missile destroyer USS Momsen (DDG 92) after Momsen disrupted an attack on Panamanian-flagged merchant vessel Full City commercial oil tanker in the Arabian Sea. Momsen and the guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 54) came to the aid of the simultaneously in a coordinated rescue and assist effort after receiving a distress call. Momsen and Bunker Hill are deployed supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photos by Chief Hull Maintenance Technician John Parkin/Released)
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on May 2, 2009 shows military personnel aboard the Portuguese Frigate Corte Real frigate sailing off Somalia looking at weapons seized on a pirates "mother ship", on May 1, 2009. The Corte Real captured 19 Somali pirates after foiling an attack on an oil tanker but released them all, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation officials said on May 1, 2009. Commander
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, from the control centre for the NATO mission protecting merchant ships off Somalia, said the frigate Corte Real launched a helicopter on April 30, 2009 after being informed of an attack on the tanker, the Bahamas-flagged Kition. The helicopter pursued the pirates back to their mother ship, a fishing boat which was later boarded and weapons including grenade-launchers and explosives were seized. However a Portuguese officer with the NATO force in the Gulf of Aden,
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Ferreira, told TSF radio that the 19 pirates captured had been released "after contact was made with Somali national authorities."


There are many, many more photos of the USN anti-piracy engagements & rescues of international mariners. Many.

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escobar

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

10th Chinese naval escort taskforce holds maritime live-ammunition firing
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At around 15:00 of February 4, 2012, local time, the destroyer “Haikou” and the “Qinghai Lake” depot ship of the 10th Chinese naval escort taskforce under the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) utilized the interval of escort tasks to organize its special operation sailors to conduct maritime live-ammunition firing in the western waters of the Gulf of Aden.

  Yuan Xinyuan, commander of the special operation unit, told the reporters that maritime live-ammunition firing is an important content of anti-piracy and plays a significant role in actions such as armed expelling, investigation and evidence collection. As an assault force of the escort taskforce, the special operation sailors have to master excellent skills to subdue the enemy.

  According to Wang Yongxiang, deputy commander of the taskforce, rampant piracy still exists in the Gulf of Aden and waters off the Somali coast based on recent escort conditions with the trend to more disguised and random actions. This live-ammunition firing is a mission-oriented training of the taskforce specific to the features of piracy.

  In order to keep the special-operation sailors in good combat readiness status and strengthen their capabilities of quick response and emergency handling, the taskforce focused on training subjects such as moving-target shooting, long-range blocking and attacking, barrage firing and shooting by skiff , and paid more attention to enhancing special operation sailors’ key capabilities, including disguised approaching, quick boarding and emergent rescue centering on maritime rescue tasks, so as to make sure that escort operations are perfectly safe.
 
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