PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

bladerunner said:

That brings to mind the first time China sent a naval detachment off to Somalia waters, it was accompanied by a stirring speech by a commander warning that woe will befall anyone messing with boats going about their lawful business, while under their watch.
I remember thinking at the time that this could be interesting, but as it is turning out, China's involvement has been quite circumspect with no incidences of the Chinese navy blasting the "living bejeezers" out of the pirates. What a pity.

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That is because the PLAN seemed to have done a pretty good job of protecting ships in their convoys and no pirates have managed to board, never mind take any ship under the protection of the PLAN.

If that had happened, especially to a Chinese flagged ship (the risk of an international incident if any of the hostages were hurt might stay the PLAN's hand), it would be a stretch to assume they would not do anything. After months deployed, the commandos on the PLAN ships must be desperate for some real action, and Beijing would not have sent them there if they were not prepared to use them.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

unlike Western countrys China has no intentions of using live fire on people, pirates are there because of bad policys of the Western goverment, people are being forced to become pirates, no one is born a pirate no one wants to be a pirate, its desperation which leads to it

China has shown again that it is a responsible power who can use it when and if it is required, not on some poor peoples in Africa and Middleast

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

pirates are there because of bad policys of the Western goverment

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What???^^^ I've stated it before and I'll state it again. The Pirates are criminals and need to be dealt with as such. At the point of a weapon.

What makes you think China would never fire on the Pirates?

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

asif iqbal said:

unlike Western countrys China has no intentions of using live fire on people, pirates are there because of bad policys of the Western goverment, people are being forced to become pirates, no one is born a pirate no one wants to be a pirate, its desperation which leads to it

China has shown again that it is a responsible power who can use it when and if it is required, not on some poor peoples in Africa and Middleast

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That's a silly statement. Of course people chose to become pirates, and they should pay the price for such poor choices.

There are millions of people in Somalia, yet there are not millions of pirates. Thus there appears to be plenty of other ways of making a living there without having to resort to piracy.

China does not believe in bombing people to get them to co-operate, but that does not mean China will not defend its interests, or those under their protection if forced to. All those PLAN ships and men deployed near the horn of Africa are not there to work on their tan, if pirates attacked a ship under their protection, they would first try to dissuade the pirates with warning shots, but if they do not take the hint and continue to threaten innocent lives, it would be foolish to assume the PLAN will just back down.

In fact, if you watch some of the short documentaries CCTV have made, you can see that the PLAN commandos were perfectly ready to use deadly force if the suspected pirates they were after showed any signs of aggressive behavior.

In one memorable segment, when a commando team was sent to check out a suspected skiff via helo, you can hear the team leader telling the squad machine gunner to take aim for the extra fuel tanks in case the people on board tried anything funny. Hardly what you would expect if they were under strict orders not to use deadly force.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

asif iqbal said:

unlike Western countrys China has no intentions of using live fire on people,

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If a Chinese vessel is siezed, and the priates are about to start killing Chinese citizens...then the Chinese Navy will do whatever is necessary to either keep them from doing it, or stop them once they start...and they will use the weaponry and assetts they have put over there to do so.

Do you think those military vessels and the special forces with helos that they sent with those vessels are only for show?

No to. If they need them, they will call upon them and they will kill Somali pirates.

As to pirates being the result of policies of westerngovernments...hogwash. Priates have been around since long before there was a UNited States or Western Democracies. People do choose to be pirates. And the best policy towards pirates is the same one that has been in place for many hundreds of years. Catch them and keel haul or otherwise execute them for their crimes.

It has worked before, it will work now. And China has, in fact, shown its willingness to do just that by sending the heavily armed vessels it has to the area to protect its citizens and its interests from the pirates.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

While it might held true very early on, by the time Somali piracy reached the intensity that caught the world's attention and such military response it has changed - now piracy no longer out of necessity of survival, it has morphed into a lucrative business, operated by groups of criminal enterprises, with their base located within an area that has no effective government, and with offshore money launders.

It bears similarity to what they do with aid organizations or foreign personnel - held them hostage and the other side will "show them the money"...

We've all heard about stories that Russians would "release" the pirates on leaky motor-less life raft in the middle of the ocean, that's really hardcore...can't expect China to emulate that unfortunately.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

plawolf said:

That's a silly statement. Of course people chose to become pirates, and they should pay the price for such poor choices.

There are millions of people in Somalia, yet there are not millions of pirates. Thus there appears to be plenty of other ways of making a living there without having to resort to piracy.

China does not believe in bombing people to get them to co-operate, but that does not mean China will not defend its interests, or those under their protection if forced to. All those PLAN ships and men deployed near the horn of Africa are not there to work on their tan, if pirates attacked a ship under their protection, they would first try to dissuade the pirates with warning shots, but if they do not take the hint and continue to threaten innocent lives, it would be foolish to assume the PLAN will just back down.

In fact, if you watch some of the short documentaries CCTV have made, you can see that the PLAN commandos were perfectly ready to use deadly force if the suspected pirates they were after showed any signs of aggressive behavior.

In one memorable segment, when a commando team was sent to check out a suspected skiff via helo, you can hear the team leader telling the squad machine gunner to take aim for the extra fuel tanks in case the people on board tried anything funny. Hardly what you would expect if they were under strict orders not to use deadly force.

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clearly some people like to just jump the gun and have a rant just for the sake of it, read what i wrote

how did you manage to assume PLAN would back down and was on a holiday from my post, great observation skills u have there

i said China would not just attack people like Western nations, we all know what Russian navy did with the pirates, we also know rules of engagement of USN are.

you have to be dumb to think that PLAN would not attack pirates if pirates seize a Chinese vessel, that doesn't even need explaining that's the whole point of the deployment

and you should learn more about how piracy came about in gulf of Aden before making pre-conceived conclusions.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

MwRYum said:

We've all heard about stories that Russians would "release" the pirates on leaky motor-less life raft in the middle of the ocean, that's really hardcore...can't expect China to emulate that unfortunately.

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exactly that was my point

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

I'll post this here since the story is about Pirates.



Published on May 28, 2011

TAIPEI, Taiwan - Taiwan's Foreign Ministry says the captain of a hijacked Taiwanese fishing boat was killed in crossfire between U.S. Navy personnel and Somali pirates.

The ministry says the USS Stephen W. Groves and pirates aboard the hijacked Jih Chun Tsai 68 fishing trawler exchanged fire over the Indian Ocean during the U.S. frigate's anti-piracy patrol mission earlier this month.

The ministry said in a statement late Saturday that three pirates and Taiwanese captain Wu Lai-yu were killed in the incident.

The ministry said pirates hijacked the boat off the Somali coast in March 2010 and used the vessel to launch maritime attacks.

Confrontations with Somali pirates have turned increasingly violent in recent months.

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese Navy

Action at last - PLANAF escort vs. Somalis pirates: