PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Nothing at all. They're all 877s. Some have been upgraded, mostly in the electronics, sensor suites and fire control systems. But nothing as fundamental as a propeller change that would bring the noise levels down. But the real threat might be the sub mentioned might be one of those upgraded with the Klub missile system. The PLAN has that too with their Kilos, they should know that can be a nasty missile to deal with.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

crobato said:

Nothing at all. They're all 877s. Some have been upgraded, mostly in the electronics, sensor suites and fire control systems. But nothing as fundamental as a propeller change that would bring the noise levels down. But the real threat might be the sub mentioned might be one of those upgraded with the Klub missile system. The PLAN has that too with their Kilos, they should know that can be a nasty missile to deal with.

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Wait, aren't the Sindhurakshak and the Sindhushastra supposed to be 636s? But then again, those guys are kinda 'out-there' sometimes

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Semi-Lobster said:

Wait, aren't the Sindhurakshak and the Sindhushastra supposed to be 636s?

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Not that I know of.

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

crobato said:

Not that I know of.

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Bharat-Rakshak seems to think so.

But of course:



Jane's disagrees. So that was pretty round-about now wasn't it? Sorry about that.

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Semi-Lobster said:

Bharat-Rakshak seems to think so.

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Only rumored so, and you already have nearly a decade to prove that rumor. I tend to think its stems from a mistake made in the Naval Technologies .com page.

The way to prove a 636 sub is easy. It has to have seven blades in a highly skewed fashion as opposed to six blades that is not skewed.

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Semi-Lobster said:

Aren't ALL Indian Kilos 877s though? What makes the Sindhuvir different from the other Indian Kilos? Why does Pointblank think it was the Sindhuvir specifically?

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Sindhuvir is one of few Indian Navy Kilo's that has completed a full refit recently and is fully operational. Of them all, she's been in service longer after her refit which allows for the Indians to work out any bugs resulting from her refit and thus, she is more mature. If you plan on snooping on someone, you want to use a platform that is somewhat mature (and as such, behaves predictably), along with a reliable sensor package. The other Indian Navy Kilo's are being fitted with a indigenous sensor package which has proved itself to be not very mature and problematic, while Sindhuvir has been upgraded with Russian systems instead.

If I were the Indians, and had a chance to look over my submarine inventory, I would pick Sindhuvir for these reasons. A fairly mature submarine that hasn't had any issues since refit and carries a well understood sensor package that doesn't exhibit unusual tendencies.

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PLAN's knowledge in how to track down a kilo doesnt really work in this scenario because they didnt intend to track down "a kilo" in the first place. they didnt even know that there is one comin there way. if it was an exercise with the east sea fleet then maybe...

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I would respectfully disagree. If they knew they're going to the Indian Ocean, they would already have anticipated that someone is going to tail them. And its not like PLAN subs have tailed or hacked IN subs before, according to some of the posts I've seen in Defensetalk.

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ff

pla101prc said:

dude what's with that intimidating look? i am just presenting a valid arguemtn. you are the navy guy here you should know this stuff better than i do.

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And I do know this stuff better than most. After some thought I fully understand your statement. Pehaps you should post clearer and consice statements.

As Assasianmace stated the Kitty Hawk was not in any alert status when the sub emerge. True. But.. To me..it does not matter if they were or not. The sub should have been tracked and identified immediatley.ff

Bak to the PLAN in the IO(Indian Ocean) as rightfully directed by crobato.

I agree with crobato in that the PLAN should have know the risk of subs while transiting the Indian Ocean.

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Where did the "seven day trailing" number come from? I assume both navies are keeping quit especially the Chinese. The Chinese, if they detected submarine seven days ago, would have no choice to let it trail them because as forcing sub to surface is not a diplomatically friendly move. Importantly it is not illegal to trail a foreign ship.

Either you believe China was caught napping or Chinese demostrated their ship sonars are modern. Both sceniros will Chinese navy more then Indian Navy because Chinese have the capacity to rework their ships in a short space of time, in contrast to India whose own submarine programme has met with massive delays despite Russian and French assistance.

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IIRC, in international law, if you are sub and you get pinging by a foreign warship while submerged, you need to surface and fly your flag. Failure to do so could be taken as evidence of hostile intent, and the surface warship has the right to fire on the sub in self defense.

Normally a sub would try to slip away if it is detected, but if cornered and the other side looks like they mean business, no captain is going to gift the other side the opportunity to sink his boat without consequence, as the fault for an arm confrontation in such circumstances would lie entirely with the sub.