PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

pla101prc · Feb 3, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

AssassinsMace said:
Unless they completely fabricated the incident, that would mean they had to coordinate it with the Chinese. Which goes against Chinese interests to play ball. Back then it was reported that China couldn't even muster a decent patrol capability due to lack of training and men to crew their subs. For a Song to catch the Kitty Hawk it would've had to have been a coordinated effort with probably more than one sub involved.

well if China's sub crews were so poorly trained that they cant even coordinate with the kitty hawk, what makes you think that they are good enough to penetrate its defense? besides kitty hawk must have been on a high level of alert at the time since it was in an exercise.

pla101prc · Feb 3, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

bd popeye said:
The Kitty Hawk was a scam? In what sense? You need to better explain yourself ..again..:nono:

bd popeye super moderator

dude what's with that intimidating look? i am just presenting a valid arguemtn. you are the navy guy here you should know this stuff better than i do.

bladerunner · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I wonder if the Indian Navy drew the short straw to keep tabs on the Chinese ships, and then share the info around its allies like Us, UK, etc etc.
Early Popeye suggested their might be some 093s doing escort duty. If some did go, at what point would they have detached and gone back, or would they still be hanging around.

AssassinsMace · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

pla101prc said:
well if China's sub crews were so poorly trained that they cant even coordinate with the kitty hawk, what makes you think that they are good enough to penetrate its defense? besides kitty hawk must have been on a high level of alert at the time since it was in an exercise.

I never argue that the Chinese are superior or "good enough." I question the hype claimed by the other side. According to all those on the other side... it's to the contrary. Virtually all of them say the Kitty Hawk battle group was not on alert at all to which is the reason why the Kitty Hawk did not detect the Song.

pla101prc · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

bladerunner said:
I wonder if the Indian Navy drew the short straw to keep tabs on the Chinese ships, and then share the info around its allies like Us, UK, etc etc.
Early Popeye suggested their might be some 093s doing escort duty. If some did go, at what point would they have detached and gone back, or would they still be hanging around.

well i do remember the Chinese media reporting a sub just returning from a 90day mission. but that was a 091...they said. dont know if it has anything to do with what we are talkin about here

Pointblank · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

bladerunner said:
I wonder if the Indian Navy drew the short straw to keep tabs on the Chinese ships, and then share the info around its allies like Us, UK, etc etc.
Early Popeye suggested their might be some 093s doing escort duty. If some did go, at what point would they have detached and gone back, or would they still be hanging around.

The Indians and the Chinese haven't been the best of neighbours. Both sides are naturally suspicious of each other. I am not terribly surprised by the fact that the Indians are snooping around the Chinese fleet for this reason alone.

The submarine in the picture provided is an Indian Kilo class submarine, probably the INS Sindhuvir, which has a pennant number of S58.

crobato · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

No more talking of the Kitty Hawk. Keep the thread on the straight course based on the topic.

Semi-Lobster · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Pointblank said:
The Indians and the Chinese haven't been the best of neighbours. Both sides are naturally suspicious of each other. I am not terribly surprised by the fact that the Indians are snooping around the Chinese fleet for this reason alone.

The submarine in the picture provided is an Indian Kilo class submarine, probably the INS Sindhuvir, which has a pennant number of S58.

That's very specific considering India has 10 Kilos, what makes you think its the Sindhuvir specifically?

crobato · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Semi-Lobster said:
That's very specific considering India has 10 Kilos, what makes you think its the Sindhuvir specifically?

Indian Kilos are not the particularly quieter subtype, since they are Type 877s not 636s which the PLAN has. The difference between the two is that the 636 has the quieter propeller and running gear. So beating them, and it looks like they were pinged like crazy to get them to surface, is still not that big of a deal in terms of ASW. Of course, a little exercise won't hurt and it only heightens the awareness in the PLAN. This deserves a little pat in the back but beware, this is not like beating a world class state of the art SSK.

Semi-Lobster · Feb 4, 2009

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

crobato said:
Indian Kilos are not the particularly quieter subtype, since they are Type 877s not 636s which the PLAN has. The difference between the two is that the 636 has the quieter propeller and running gear. So beating them, and it looks like they were pinged like crazy to get them to surface, is still not that big of a deal in terms of ASW. Of course, a little exercise won't hurt and it only heightens the awareness in the PLAN. This deserves a little pat in the back but beware, this is not like beating a world class state of the art SSK.

Aren't ALL Indian Kilos 877s though? What makes the Sindhuvir different from the other Indian Kilos? Why does Pointblank think it was the Sindhuvir specifically?

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