beijingcar
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Well lets look at your list...And remember I asked where PLA enjoys superiority with generation ahead of ROCA?
Chinese first AWACS tpye of plane not even fully operational and only couple existing planes which are yet to be intergrated to the actual operational level forces. Not much to brag around.
A tank based on the soviet T72 concept which prooved itself to be inferior even to the modernised M60's in gulf war. Chinese tank is better, but in the terms of capability not generations away and not anyway superior.
2 ships (with underpowered oversized hulls) with AAW missiles and SSMs but almoust non-existing ASW capacity. Firecontrol seems outward similar to the USN Aegis but which capacity is still unknown. Kidd's are based on the succesfull Spruance class hull and balanced AAW, SSM and ASW capacity. Only area where they are inferior to the Chinese ships is the firecontrol system for their AAW missiles but as we still don't know the true capacity of 052C its hard to say how big the cap is. Anyway the chinese ships are first efforts of anything resambling of an fleet unit from a country that has no experience in bluewater naval operations and the Taiwanese ships are from "the" navy...
Funny that you didn't mention other ships.... Oh but you did..the 022...
Ao where does it stands? Well its basicly WWII era torbedo boat with steahtly hull and its fast. Thats about it. It's hull concept prevents it having any endurance what so ever and it seems to lack modern EW suite and airdefence, cruisal to FACs survival against helicopter armed with SSMs, the biggest thread to any FACs these days
For submarines PLAN most certainly enjoys bigger subforce but ironically the ROCN that actually has some ASW capacity can fight against them where as PLAN that basicly has no modern ASW capacity is in serious trouple even with the two subs of Taiwan...
What comes rest of your list, yeas China has made some efforts in its space program, anti-satelites and all...Not enough to win the war. I asked weapons, and what I ment was those that actually counts. Artillery, infatry and supports? Where are your examples in those areas? Where are your examples in Aicrafts, Airdefence, SEAD and counter SEAD? Where are your examples in used naval doctrines and overall fleet capacities?
We can argue to the doomsday over small details wheter this or that equipment is superior to one and another. The differences aren't that huge and as china doesen't have the capability to wage such a higly technologized warfare that we have withnessed in the latest US led campaings. And you would need at least that level to be able to completely destroy the ROCA.
I have argued that even the USMC with USN and USAF helping it would have serious proplems to invade Taiwan if they just fight back. Thats how hard it is to invade completely sea-blocked countries.
But again you can twist the facts and figures as long as you wish, just give me an explanation to my question in the previous post and I will rest...How can the under-brigade size unit without no fire support nor supplylines advange deep in to the Taiwans territory without being encircled and keep the beach head so that the main bulk of PLA troops can land when they are facing at least 1 army corps (thats three western division to those who don't know) size opponent force with the all the benefits of local area and existing supplylines?
Hi, There are at least 4 KJ2000 flying, and at least three of those 4 are IOC. and you asked for example of gen gap in tech between ROC and PLA. My examples are all there for everyone to see. If someone like you argue that KJ2000 is not at least one gen ahead of E2 hawkeye or 052C is not at least one Gen ahead of Kidd class. Then you need to go to a hospital to get yourself checked out, you have a serious case of self denial. No objective person would have argued like you just did.
If you know anything about the history of the ROC military, you would not claim that they have a first rate navy ( the ROC does not have much of a naval tradition to speak of because WWII happened too fast, too early for the ROC Gov). The ROC army was and still is the big brother of the three services over there and continential army thinking is the mainstay of the ROC military, regardless that they are now in an Island.
As for the 022, No FAC from anybody( country) stand a chance if attacked from the air with modern SSM.
If you think that Sat tech and anti-Sat capabilitaries are not the most important elements for winning during modern War, and thus should not count as part of the military EQP, then again you need to get your head checked out.
As for the ROC's ASW capabilities, they are better than PLAN, that is true. But if you do not have control of the air, or the sea, how is their S2 to fly? or for the ROCN surface ships to do their job of ASW?
Look, the facts and figures are all there for everyone to see, and if you do not see them, that is your problem, not mine.
As for your question on how the PLA would attack the ROC in time of war, I would not write anything on this issue, because the chance of fighting between the two ( PRC and ROC) are real, and there are a lots readers and posters are no doubt Intel agents that from the ROC, the Japan military and the U.S ( By the way, I wonder if you are truely in Finnland as you claim because it is early morning there and you are still replying my posts), and I do not think it is wise for me to point out how the PLA would fight because I want China to have a easier time during the real war. But if you want to know, then they are a lot posters on different defense fourms have written about this issue, check them out yourself.
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