PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Re: PLAN Qualifies 1st six pilotsa for carrier take-off & landing

Blackstone said:
Good point.
OT- with your handle, did you fly Thunderchiefs in 'Nam?
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Not in this life . ;)

kroko said:
No. It really doesnt have APARS. What we see on kuznetzov are only concrete slabs to fool NATO watchers. The original radar system, mars-passat, ended up a failure, and the soviets put slabs in its place. Thats why the sister ship (varyag) was built without APARS and instead with 2 mast radars.
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Currently "best" completed Russian naval radar is Fregat-М2EМ 3D Radar (somewhat hybrid concept )but they are working on Furke-2 which would more resemble western PARS . Here is nice video how Fregat-M2EM should operate ;)

[video=youtube;Xf1t2Yj4yPA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf1t2Yj4yPA[/video]

[video=youtube;_mS_nGPwZFE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mS_nGPwZFE[/video]

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drunkmunky

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wow. that rendering is completely unrealistic... almost as if the birds don't have counter measures...
And also the missile launch system is so inefficient and there is such a large time delay, if there were more targets...

man... horrible...
 
Jeff Head

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Franklin said:
The island structure of the Liaoning seems to be smaller than that of the Admiral Kuznetsov. .
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It is different.

That is primarily because the Chinese naval shipbuilders at Dalian cut it down and built it back up in late 2009. We watched it here on SD and commented about it at the time.

See the following page for some good photos of that happening.


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Kurt

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The Liaoning will most likely be a STOBAR design that can handle STOVL as well. STOBAR designs are operated by India and Russia, while STOVL is a British heritage and CATOBAR depends nowadays on US-goodwill to hand out catapults (except Brazil). The STOVL design was also tried by the Soviets on their carriers, but only the Harrier design seems to have succeeded. The Harrier design is continued with the F-35B that has a vertical lift fan. However, when landing (SRVL) shipborne rolling vertical landing is used that is rather a short than a vertical landing, using the aircraft brakes for arresting.

Vertical landing allows a 90° approach for carrier landing, what angle is possible with thrust vectoring for STOL and how close does this get to SRVL?

This could close the gap in use between a Queen Elizabeth STOVL carrier and a Soviet design STOBAR carrier, making it easier to compare these designs.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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New picture, Liaoning and I think I count 12 J15 parking spots on deck, that's exactly halve the air Wing

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stack

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Kurt said:
The Liaoning will most likely be a STOBAR design that can handle STOVL as well. STOBAR designs are operated by India and Russia, while STOVL is a British heritage and CATOBAR depends nowadays on US-goodwill to hand out catapults (except Brazil). The STOVL design was also tried by the Soviets on their carriers, but only the Harrier design seems to have succeeded. The Harrier design is continued with the F-35B that has a vertical lift fan. However, when landing (SRVL) shipborne rolling vertical landing is used that is rather a short than a vertical landing, using the aircraft brakes for arresting.

Vertical landing allows a 90° approach for carrier landing, what angle is possible with thrust vectoring for STOL and how close does this get to SRVL?

This could close the gap in use between a Queen Elizabeth STOVL carrier and a Soviet design STOBAR carrier, making it easier to compare these designs.
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No, the F35B is not a continuation of Harrier design, it is direct descendant of Yak-141 which is totally different from Harrier in terms of STOVL mechanism, F35B and Yak-141 have dedicated lift apparatus which becomes dead weight in horizontal flight, Harrier has lift and horizontal thrust combined into one unit without dead weight. Anyway I think the PLAN is aiming for a CATOBAR carrier, but my guess is that their next carrier will still be STOBAR type for continuity, but once their second carrier is commissioned, don't be surprised to see that Liaoning to be refitted with a catapult at the angle deck as a test platform.
 
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Re: PLAN Qualifies 1st six pilots for carrier take-off & landing

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As a result of this exercise and qualifiaction, the first six operational J-15 pilots are now qualified for take-offs and landings aboard the PLAN Liaoning, CV-16.
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Thanks China, go ahead with your carrier !
 
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james_stuart

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stack said:
but my guess is that their next carrier will still be STOBAR type for continuity, but once their second carrier is commissioned, don't be surprised to see that Liaoning to be refitted with a catapult at the angle deck as a test platform.
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do you know when the next carrier will be fielded?
 
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