PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Jeff Head

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Aircraft number 554 has been being used on the Liaoning for some time now, and it is in official PLAN colors.

So they are operating with three aircraft regularly now and I expect that number will move to four or five pretty quickly, and I imagine each new one we see aboard is going to be in PLAN colors.
 
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jacksprat said:
I fully agree with your last sentence, but only partly with your first paragraph. This is probably going to veer off topic, but I think I need to say it anyway......

It is hard to deceive the governments and defense departments of most countries today, but not necessarily so with the public in countries such as Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia where the public is not very sophisticated, though probably not Japan. These countries all have issues with Chinese territorial claims in their adjacent territories. Public perception is not really all that over rated in such countries that cannot hope to compete economically or militarily overhyped press reporting and internet speculation about China's aircraft carrier program would serve the PRC,s interests.
China uses this and so do the governments of the other countries in one way or the other. ]

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Except China has next to no incentive to exaggerate their capabilities to the publics of those countries. In fact, if anything, China has an incentive to undersell its capabilities to those countries to avoid inflaming their public and give their governments greater support to militarize.
 
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duncanidaho said:
Does it mean, that the maximum force of the steam catapult is at the beginning of the track and the maximum force of the

emal is near the end of the track?
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Not really. The position at which maximum force is applied is nearly the same. However, for a steam catapult, the applied force declines after the maximum force is reached. In the case of EMAL, the applied force remains constant until the end of the stroke.

duncanidaho said:
Does it also mean, that the maximum force of the steam catapult is higher than the maximum force of the emal, because it

has to keep up the energy till the end of the track?

If yes, how much bigger?
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Your explanation sounds reasonable to me, but I don't know if that is truly a reason. What I do know is that aircraft aircraft is indeed launched with higher force than necessary on a steam catapult as a safety precaution. The extra force is not needed for EMAL, and so the life of the aircraft can be extended upward by nearly 30%.
 
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jacksprat said:
Thank you for your response, I have been reading your posts, along with those of people like tphuang, popeye, hendrick, Jeff Head and and the world famous Air Force Brat with great interest.

No offense intended, but what you might call 'deduction' based on internet postings and quasi, semi- or official web sites, I might call 'assumptions' and I'm going to guess that you are probably familiar with the phrase that 'an assumption makes and ass out of you and me', t'was a phrase drummed into me at a very early age and is one I still live by.

Having spent many years on USN aircraft carriers I am somewhat familiar with launching platforms capabilities, those of its embarked aircraft, the attendant battle group's associated platform capabilties. I know what the norms are and should be between conventional, nuclear, ramped or catapult equipped platforms.

I tend to read passively, have done so now for over 12 years running now. I only interject when I think a healthy dose of reality or some degree of reservation might be helpful to the ongoing discussion.
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By all means contribute, these online communities thrive on discussion!

But I'm still not sure as to why you believe the dummy weapons on the J-15s aren't simulating the full weight munitions

I have read that CV-16 is supposed to conduct an open ocean deployment sometime soon, though I hate use that term for a couple of weeks in blue water ops. I don't believe that it might do that with only prototype aircraft embarked, but I have yet to see any evidence of J-15s painted in PLAN colors. Those aircraft and probably their pilots would still need to qualify to land on a carrier underway.
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Well we've seen a few scant pictures in SAC showing what appears to be a J-15 in production colours, and a few of the first lot hanging around at their production line. They're obviously not going to show us the full production line with all the J-15s being worked on.

Those pilots could very well be the ones who are qualifying on the three prototype J-15s -- i.e.: the prototype J-15s would thus serve multiple purposes, including the initial testing and qualifications of initial pilots, who would then use the prototypes to trial a variety of weapons loads under various conditions, but the prototype J-15s would also be piloted by the batch of real "production" pilots to qualify them for carrier flight and takeoff before switching to production J-15s to become full acquaintaned with the plane.


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bd popeye said:
thanks blitzo.... Are those metric tons? Correct?...tomorrow I'll bounce those numbers around for comparison and give an opinion.

Thanks again
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No problem, and yes they are metric tons.
 
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jacksprat said:
I have read that CV-16 is supposed to conduct an open ocean deployment sometime soon, though I hate use that term for a couple of weeks in blue water ops. I don't believe that it might do that with only prototype aircraft embarked, but I have yet to see any evidence of J-15s painted in PLAN colors. Those aircraft and probably their pilots would still need to qualify to land on a carrier underway.

I'm not sure that I am ready to accept the press reports that the J-15s are loaded with dummy weapons that are the same weight as the real McCoys, all governments, even mine, have been known to stretch the facts to send a message, even when it might not be the whole truth.
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Firstly, welcome to the board. As a new comer, you will quickly realize China often exceeds your expectation of what you think they can achieve. It wasn't that long ago when some people boldly proclaimed that it will take years and many deaths before China can successfully trap an aircraft on a carrier. China performed successful traps and more within a year.

The J-15s are not painted in PLAN colors as they are prototypes undergoing experiments. As part of those experiments, the PLAN will need to verify the maximum load at which the J-15 can safely takeoff. This means those dummy ordinances must have equal weight to their real life counterparts, or those experiments as well as trainings will be completely meaningless. There is no assumption here, as it is simply common sense.
 
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chuck731 said:
Reform indeed,

Mao with his paunch could never fit into that cockpit, Deng would be too short to see over the sill of the cockpit. Jiang and Hu with their glasses would look stupid in a cockpit.

Xi actually looks like he could have once upon a time been a pilot.

Hopefully Xi would look better in a helmet than Dukakis

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Xi is a good 15cm too tall to be a fighter pilot.
 
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