PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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asif iqbal
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Hull should be finished soon
Then the flight deck, island and everything else will start can they get all that done in 6 months ? Hmmm looks tight
Launch in 2017 most likely
Then the flight deck, island and everything else will start can they get all that done in 6 months ? Hmmm looks tight
Launch in 2017 most likely
Blackstone
Brigadier
I saw a CCTV news video a few months ago showing a bow section more like HMS Queen Elizabeth, so it's not clear the new carrier's bow would be same as the Liaoning.
Err i still see 2 large holes in the deck for engine bays???
Why are they drawn out everywhere.
And yeeeey first part of jump is added.
Hopefully this year the hull completion and launch
Why are they drawn out everywhere.
And yeeeey first part of jump is added.
Hopefully this year the hull completion and launch
It's evident from the last picture that it's different from QE class. Here the ramp looks like an integral part of the hull rather than a platform on side of a plain flight deck like in British one.
Here's HMS Queen Elisabeth bow section as assembled for comparison. It's also different of course as British ship will serve in much harsher environment.
Intrepid
Major
We have already seen a prepared part of the bow section and it looked like a piece of Liaoning.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Too bad they didn't take HMS QE route for the extra space to spot aircrafts.It's evident from the last picture that it's different from QE class. Here the ramp looks like an integral part of the hull rather than a platform on side of a plain flight deck like in British one.
Here's HMS Queen Elisabeth bow section as assembled for comparison. It's also different of course as British ship will serve in much harsher environment.
QE class has a ski jump which allows launch positions only directly posterior to the ski jump, meaning they could design it in such a way where the ski jump itself is not very wide and where its sides are "straight".
Those straight sides on the QEs ski jump provide a few more spotting spaces on the side of the ski jump, but the overall configuration is not as practical for a STOBAR carrier, because having a similar arrangement means giving up the ability to have separate launch positions from two different angles, and it also likely means the launch positions which do exist will impede onto the landing strip.
Intrepid
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The F-35 do not need fixed launch positions as the J-15 needs. It can start its take-off run from every place of the runway, several aircraft can be spottet one behind the other.
Same procedure as with Harrier:
I'm not sure how that's relevant to my point. Remember, I'm saying that it would be impractical for a STOBAR carrier to adopt a QE class or Invincible class style ski jump.
Consider if 001A had a QE class style ski jump -- the width of the ski jump means the (non VSTOL) aircraft taking off would only be able to launch from directly posterior, and thus they would have to give up having two launch positions/angles to have only one single launch position/angle.
As it stands, the Liaoning (and likely 001A) has two fixed launch "angles," with one starboard launch position and two port launch positions. The shape of the ski jump (when looking from a birds eye view) is in the shape of a general triangle -- that is to say it is wider at the rear and tapers off at the front/bow. That triangular shape allows two launch angles to converge towards the single point at the end of the ski jump.
However, if 001A has a QE class style ski jump -- i.e.: a ski jump that is rectangular when looking from a birds eye view -- then yes, it will provide the 001A with space to spot a few aircraft next to the ski jump, but it also means likely giving up the ability to have two launch angles, because there won't be enough width at the rear to allow for two different launch angles. Therefore, a 001A with QE class style ski jump will only likely allow the ship to have a single launch angle directly posterior to the rectangular ski jump itself. Of course, having a single launch angle means there are a few problems, namely that both launch positions will probably end up intruding onto the landing strip, and it also means giving up a whole extra launch position as well
So that's why I think it makes more sense for 001A to not have a QE class style ski jump, than to have one.
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