PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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After clean up, some doubts... seems good hull but hypothetical flight deck and around.
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The two large remaining openings on the deck would seem to be accesses for the boilers. Once the boilers are in and uptake trunks installed, these openings would be closed. The shape and size of the holes suggest the ship will probably have 4 boiler rooms in 2 groups, with a longitudinal bulkhead down the center line separating the 2 boiler rooms in each group. The notion that there will be 4 boiler rooms seems confirmed by the 4 smaller openings at the base of where the island will be. These are undoubtedly the top end portion of the boiler trunking as it starts to ascend though the island.

It would be interesting to learn the operating pressure and temperature of the steam propulsion plant of this ship. It would also be interesting to learn if the ship would have 4 boilers (1 per boiler room) or 8 (2 per boiler room)
 
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MwRYum

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I just thinking. For now PLAN has 1 (almost 2) sky jump Aircraft carrier. And someone said that this type of carrier can't accommodate J-15 fully. So rather than they rushed into catapult type of AC (which is definitely expensive), why don't they just develop a new (smaller) aircraft that can fully take advantage of sky jump AC that the Chinese have?
Even with such a China-hating Admiral Harris at the helm of USN Pacific Command, PLAN still not rushing through its R&Ds to evolve its naval warfare capabilities. And they've no interest with those smaller flat-tops either...actually, you need smaller STVOL crafts to be useful with smaller flat-tops - but, China has difficulties with even conventional engine, STVOL would be an even higher, if not impossible, hurdle.
 

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Even with such a China-hating Admiral Harris at the helm of USN Pacific Command, PLAN still not rushing through its R&Ds to evolve its naval warfare capabilities. And they've no interest with those smaller flat-tops either...actually, you need smaller STVOL crafts to be useful with smaller flat-tops - but, China has difficulties with even conventional engine, STVOL would be an even higher, if not impossible, hurdle.

R&D cannot be "rushed" -- the entire point of it is that it is a process to produce new capabilities for the future.

Furthermore we have no idea how much more investment the Navy is pushing into development of new capabilities in recent years, and the Navy will not be stupid enough to tell us.

Quite frankly, given the new capabilities which the Navy and Air Force overall has been developing which we can see, I think I'm very comfortable with the pace they are going at, especially considering other demands of the national budget and considering certain technological limitations.

So I'm not sure how you can say that the Navy is not pushing R&D to evolve its capabilities, when based on the information we do have they are developing and procuring a whole variety of new systems, not to mention there are likely a whole host of other capabilities that are at earlier stages of development which we have no idea about.
 

MwRYum

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R&D cannot be "rushed" -- the entire point of it is that it is a process to produce new capabilities for the future.

Furthermore we have no idea how much more investment the Navy is pushing into development of new capabilities in recent years, and the Navy will not be stupid enough to tell us.

Quite frankly, given the new capabilities which the Navy and Air Force overall has been developing which we can see, I think I'm very comfortable with the pace they are going at, especially considering other demands of the national budget and considering certain technological limitations.

So I'm not sure how you can say that the Navy is not pushing R&D to evolve its capabilities, when based on the information we do have they are developing and procuring a whole variety of new systems, not to mention there are likely a whole host of other capabilities that are at earlier stages of development which we have no idea about.
Hmm..."rush" indeed not a proper term here, think I should've use "accelerate" "focused effort" or something like that to better convey my point. It's about 16-17 years since 1999, and they made up almost 30 years of neglect in that time, but nonetheless there's still a couple of decades behind the curve to make up for. The biggest bottleneck China face is engine, specifically to produce comparable products to their Western counterparts in terms of fuel efficiency and thrust-to-weight ratio and service cycle.
 

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Hmm..."rush" indeed not a proper term here, think I should've use "accelerate" "focused effort" or something like that to better convey my point. It's about 16-17 years since 1999, and they made up almost 30 years of neglect in that time, but nonetheless there's still a couple of decades behind the curve to make up for. The biggest bottleneck China face is engine, specifically to produce comparable products to their Western counterparts in terms of fuel efficiency and thrust-to-weight ratio and service cycle.

Well there are certain aspects of industry which cannot be accelerated no matter how much money is put in and where time is needed.

Transfers of new technology, advances in civilian industries that are applicable to military industry, and advancements of traditional areas of strengths, as well as plain old teeth gritting R&D are all important for the advances in capabilities which we've seen.

But there are certain industries such as the development and production of advanced turbofans which simply have not progressed as fast as we'd like to see based on the original starting point and also based on lack of transfers of technology and advancements in civilian industry counterparts, so that's where time comes in.


Honestly, given where China was and how fast China's developed and based on the few indicators that we have of various new R&D directions, I think the Navy and overall military has done a marvelous job in enhancing its domestic R&D and applying that to new capabilities. I don't think any other military-industrial-complex of any nation on earth has developed as rapidly as the Chinese have in the last decade.
 
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