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antiterror13

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"Just look at the pain the US had in transitioning from steam to EM considering the depth of their carrier construction expertise..."
Really, does it mean China must follow the same path as the US? From steam to EMcats?
Rear Admiral Ma Weiming revealed that China’s electromagnetic launch charged was using ultra high voltage when USA is still applying conventional voltage charging. That, I think, is the maturity China shows on EMALS.

Very good point, China might just simply skip steam cat, straight to EMALS .... time will tell us :D
 

Quickie

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"Just look at the pain the US had in transitioning from steam to EM considering the depth of their carrier construction expertise..."
Really, does it mean China must follow the same path as the US? From steam to EMcats?
Rear Admiral Ma Weiming revealed that China’s electromagnetic launch charged was using ultra high voltage when USA is still applying conventional voltage charging. That, I think, is the maturity China shows on EMALS.

In fact, providing the EMALS development is already far along, that's more a reason to jump directly to EMALS. Why jump into the mess of having the steam CAT first and then having to convert them to EMALS a few years down the road, when you can start from a clean sheet of just purely EMALS.
 

schenkus

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Are there credible rumours about the propulsion systems on 001A and 002 ?

I guess the choice would be between gas and steam turbines.
 

Tyloe

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Are there credible rumours about the propulsion systems on 001A and 002 ?

I guess the choice would be between gas and steam turbines.

like everyone's following chinese media, which themeselves source from online rumours. Blogs like south front caught onto it and following the earliest rumour of steam propulsion for cv18.


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Jeff Head

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Another module was installed yesterday.



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Thanks. Great photos showing the continued progress.
Interesting.

That auxiliary deck hanging out there on the side opposite from the elevators is probably one of the inset decks we see on this picture of the Liaoning, inset into the large sponson that supports the flight deck overhang.

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plawolf

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I don't know why some people find the idea of Chinese EMALs so improbable if they are being truly objective.

Given the fact that China has developed and commercially operated maglev train lines, which uses the same core technology as EMALs, the fact that China can and is development EMALs really should be surprising or mind boggling to anyone.

China being able to draw on that prior experience, work done and expertise developed from its civilian maglev train projects to speed up EMAL development again, is pretty much to be expected, compared to the US, which has never developed civilian maglev technology, which had to start from a much lower base when developing EMALs, compared to China.

All too often, I see western 'experts' and pundits apply an unreasonable, and almost arrogant 'Chinese tax' delay to their expectations of how long it will take China to do something, which could be roughly summaries as taking how long it took the west to do it, and then arbitrarily adding X number of years on top because the Chinese 'obviously' couldn't be expected to be as good as westerners at anything.

When the Chinese not only beats those baseless expectations, but often also the length of time the west took to make those breakthroughs in the first place, that is when all the 'inferior quality' and 'copying/stealing' allegations starts popping up.
 

Intrepid

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All too often, I see western 'experts' and pundits apply an unreasonable, and almost arrogant 'Chinese tax' delay to their expectations of how long it will take China to do something, which could be roughly summaries as taking how long it took the west to do it, and then arbitrarily adding X number of years on top because the Chinese 'obviously' couldn't be expected to be as good as westerners at anything.
I make no difference between the time a development can last in China or elsewhere in the world, because the engineers who will do the job are without any borders.
 

subotai1

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I don't know why some people find the idea of Chinese EMALs so improbable if they are being truly objective.

Given the fact that China has developed and commercially operated maglev train lines, which uses the same core technology as EMALs, the fact that China can and is development EMALs really should be surprising or mind boggling to anyone.

China being able to draw on that prior experience, work done and expertise developed from its civilian maglev train projects to speed up EMAL development again, is pretty much to be expected, compared to the US, which has never developed civilian maglev technology, which had to start from a much lower base when developing EMALs, compared to China.

I agree with the intent and summary of your post. But, to be fair, that initial MagLev train in China was designed and engineered by Siemens and ThyssenKrupp. China, has had access to all of that technology and knowledge since at least 2011.

Between that and other parallel or similar work, they should have plenty of knowledge to create and build their own EMALS.
 

taxiya

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I don't know why some people find the idea of Chinese EMALs so improbable if they are being truly objective.

Given the fact that China has developed and commercially operated maglev train lines, which uses the same core technology as EMALs, the fact that China can and is development EMALs really should be surprising or mind boggling to anyone.

China being able to draw on that prior experience, work done and expertise developed from its civilian maglev train projects to speed up EMAL development again, is pretty much to be expected, compared to the US, which has never developed civilian maglev technology, which had to start from a much lower base when developing EMALs, compared to China.

All too often, I see western 'experts' and pundits apply an unreasonable, and almost arrogant 'Chinese tax' delay to their expectations of how long it will take China to do something, which could be roughly summaries as taking how long it took the west to do it, and then arbitrarily adding X number of years on top because the Chinese 'obviously' couldn't be expected to be as good as westerners at anything.

When the Chinese not only beats those baseless expectations, but often also the length of time the west took to make those breakthroughs in the first place, that is when all the 'inferior quality' and 'copying/stealing' allegations starts popping up.

The why is psychology.
  1. "Denial", a psychological defense mechanism against an unpleasant reality, i.e. being surpassed.
  2. "Racism, Regionalism or Bloated self esteem", a blind, stubborn and baseless belief of one's superiority over others whether that superiority (or advancement) is true or not.
This phenomenon has happened numerous times, I believe since the first day human became "civilized". The latest example are the belittling of German technology advancement in the early 1900s and Japan in the 1970s. The older examples include many civilizations claim themselves being descendents of stars or gods from the heaven, or chosen ones.

Ignore them is the best way, doesn't worth an extra breath after you have realized the person you are talking to is in such stock.
 
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