PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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I heard India Carrier got held up by the non delivery of certain Russian Parts. You can't compare with China and India Carrier Program anymore. India has to source alot of their parts from others and that leads alot of uncertainties. On top of that, their carrier fighter jets, Awacs are import items. Their escort destroyers air defense systems are from Israel.

2020 for China to have 3 carrier strike groups is doable. The third carrier still be conventional powered but with catapult.
 
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GreenestGDP said:
001A estimated Dimension & potential Hangar Storage Arrangement
Many thanks to ( YuSheng @ defence.pk )
Let's do the J-15 Hangar math again :D


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GreenestGDP, this "math" and the diagrams showing it are exercises in futility.

Diagrams showing the J-15s crammed in like that are only an indication of something that is feasible, but completely unrealistic and something that would NEVER happen in real life.

As I stated above...the hanger is used to park aircraft predominantly so they can be worked on, All of these aircraft, both fixed wing and rotary, need maintenance, and the hanger gives a carrier a place where that ca happen out of the weather, and where it can happen and the various maintenance can occur.

In order to do that, ou have to be able to get around the aircraft. You have to be able to them move the aircraft from its maintenance position to the elevator once you are done.

The hanger is also a place to store aircraft when full flight operations are occurring on deck and you cannot spot aircraft there because they would get in the way. Most nations who can afford to do so, will operate more aircraft from the carrier than they can keep on deck at one time when they are doing full blown air operations...both launching and recovering aircraft. when they are doing that level of operations...they need some place to keep aircraft that would get in the way of that.

Those pictures show an arrangement where none of that can happen.
 
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tidalwave said:
2020 for China to have 3 carrier strike groups is doable. The third carrier still be conventional powered but with catapult.
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I do not think so.

The 2nd carrier may launch in 2017...it will then have to be completely outfitted...which will take another year. it will then have to go through its trials, which will take another year.

It may be commissioned sometime in 2019...but then, it will take another almost two years before it become fully operational. That would be a second operational carrier by 2021.

The 3rd carrier we have not seen yet. It is going to be a different beast. The first true Chinese indigenous design from the keel up.

First steel cut may or may not have happened. But once they start actually work on that carrier, you can figure probably at least three years until launch (most take four), another year to year and a half to outfit, another year to year and a half for trials.

This would mean it will be probably 2021-2022 before it is commissioned at the very earliest. Another two years for that one to be operational. Perhaps by 2023-2024 at the earliest, the PLAN will have three fully operational carriers.

We shall see if they do so because...time will tell.

But IMHO, NO WAY do they have three operational carriers by 2020...or for that matter, even three commissioned by 2020.

They may have two commissioned by 2020, but that is different than even having two operational by 2020.
 
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Just thinking about the 001A

Was it really laid down last year ?? Maybe the steel was cut in 2014 and modules were shipped in 2015 but that is still a amazing pace

I believe this will be launched in 2016 so the next question is has anyone spotted the island somewhere? If so where ??

I always said China is late in the carrier game but their pace of work will make up for it that is now proving true

If 002 is laid down this year in 2016 and has a similar pace of construction they will have trumped the Indian carrier programme by some margin as INS Vishal has a long way to go
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Actually now is the best time to build 002, everything is cheap now. Steel and energy are dirt cheap, also considering civilan ship industry is in trouble, I'd expect many skilled labour available and cheaper, it is indeed very good to stimulate the Chinese economy
 
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antiterror13 said:
Actually now is the best time to build 002, everything is cheap now. Steel and energy are dirt cheap, also considering civilan ship industry is in trouble, I'd expect many skilled labour available and cheaper, it is indeed very good to stimulate the Chinese economy
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There are other things to be built besides carriers. Maybe more 052D's or 055's.
 
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delft said:
Even before she first left her berth in Dalian we had seen smoke leaving the smoke stack which definitely showed she is fitted with steam plant.
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Yes...I have a pretty complete pictorial record of the transformation of the Varyag into the Liaoning posteed on my Rising Sea Dragon in Asia Site here:

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Here is one of the pics that you refer to:

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Liaoning tests its engines at dock-side, preparing for sea-trials.

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Liaoning preparing for initial Sea Trials in early August 2011​
 
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