PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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That's nice of you Brat:)

I've been busy with studies as I now study at an Australian University. Now I'm on holiday so I'm back:)
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Awesome! Happy New Year, and happy to see you getting to study in AUS, you can look up Mr. Brumby if you run short on cash?? LOL anyway, very good to see you back, we have a lot of College guys, in fact Siege recently got his Masters, and became a US citizen, we are very proud of you young gentlemen, also glad to have your company here on SDF!
 
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I don't believe these pics were posted to complement post 5319 & 5320.

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If there is anyone other than USN that China want to learn from, it is France, UK and Brazil. We know that PLAN sent personels to Brazil to study operations of Sao Paulo. It amuses me that people give Japan so much undue credit.
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When the PLAN confirmed it is building its second carrier, the officer did curiously make the point that the carrier will be used for humanitarian missions. That sounds to me like the PLAN will use the carrier as a LHA/"helicopter destroyer" sometimes as I don't think J-15's are very good at delivering humanitarian supplies or evacuating people. In which case China does have a lot it can learn from Japan.

It is possible that the particular PLAN officer was being over-enthusiastic about the "peaceful rise" role of CV's. I would be personally disappointed if that means China would not pursue a separate LHD program. At the same time it does make sense for China to use its CV's for humanitarian missions as long as they do not possess any LHA/LHD's since it is their only platform that can carry a large number of helicopters and sustain a high rate of helicopter operations.
 
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PanAsian said:
When the PLAN confirmed it is building its second carrier, the officer did curiously make the point that the carrier will be used for humanitarian missions. That sounds to me like the PLAN will use the carrier as a LHA/"helicopter destroyer" sometimes as I don't think J-15's are very good at delivering humanitarian supplies or evacuating people. In which case China does have a lot it can learn from Japan.
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In theory yes, in reality no. Besides, there are so many countries who have done similar things whom China can learn from. I don't see a chance that Chinese population is willing to see the "rising sun flag" side by side with PLAN flag, just not there yet.
It is possible that the particular PLAN officer was being over-enthusiastic about the "peaceful rise" role of CV's. I would be personally disappointed if that means China would not pursue a separate LHD program. At the same time it does make sense for China to use its CV's for humanitarian missions as long as they do not possess any LHA/LHD's since it is their only platform that can carry a large number of helicopters and sustain a high rate of helicopter operations.
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possible, but that is not much related to PLAN's CV program. All naval ships can sverve this purpose in some way. And you don't need to worry about LHA/LHD programs, they serve different purpose than CV, they won't be slowed because CV can do things they are better at.
 
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PanAsian said:
When the PLAN confirmed it is building its second carrier, the officer did curiously make the point that the carrier will be used for humanitarian missions. That sounds to me like the PLAN will use the carrier as a LHA/"helicopter destroyer" sometimes as I don't think J-15's are very good at delivering humanitarian supplies or evacuating people. In which case China does have a lot it can learn from Japan.

It is possible that the particular PLAN officer was being over-enthusiastic about the "peaceful rise" role of CV's. I would be personally disappointed if that means China would not pursue a separate LHD program. At the same time it does make sense for China to use its CV's for humanitarian missions as long as they do not possess any LHA/LHD's since it is their only platform that can carry a large number of helicopters and sustain a high rate of helicopter operations.
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I think the answer is just that the officer wanted to emphasize the MOOTW capabilities of the new ship in an attempt to pre-empt the inevitable messages along the lines of "China will have a 2nd carrier soon omg China threat".
 
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Why China's Next Aircraft Carrier will be Based on Soviet Blueprints

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of the Liaoning from the Ukrainian vendors. These will have to be the foundation of the present activity because China is now facing the same reality that has dogged the efforts of all the major navies of the last century. The greatest restraint on naval expansion in the industrial age has been neither budgets nor disarmament treaties. It has in fact been the lack of drafting expertise to translate the design concepts of naval architects into the detailed compartment-by-compartment drawings that allow the shipbuilders to do their work (arguably, this has been a key problem for Australia with the new Air Warfare Destroyers). The scale of the effort involved is demonstrated by the report that the Liaoning's documentation amounted to many tons of paper.

Although the PLA Navy is pursuing multiple paths of technology transfer from overseas, both legitimate and covert, its shipbuilders must recruit and train sufficient expert indigenous design staff in very large numbers at a time when the Chinese navy is seeking to introduce many different new classes: submarines, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, amphibious ships, replenishment ships and light craft. In particular, the demands of the submarine force, both nuclear and conventional, must be a higher priority than the carrier force for the PLA Navy as a whole, and for the national leadership.

For this reason, Carrier 17 (as it is described in Chinese social media) will almost certainly be a direct derivation of the original Soviet blueprints for the Liaoning.
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The author of the article is positing that the prime limiter to China's first indigenous carrier now under construction is depth of design and drafting expertise. Comments, anyone.
 
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