PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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delft

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Can you elaborate on that? I doubt it and strongly question the assertion. I suppose we're talking about construction and operation cost and efficiency, and battle field effectiveness. How is the optimal tradeoff point different between China and the US?

By the way, I always question the notion that all China aims for is 4 - 6 carriers and anything beyond is excessive and China has no need for them, unlike the US. I don't think the Chinese leadership and navy planners are seriously thinking anything beyond six carriers now since that's still far into the future, but to rule out the needs and possibilities of more than six carriers in the longer term (beyond 2030) is irresponsible.

Most NATO nations build their armament to complement the US, not to compete with; outside NATO, most nations can not even hope for nor can afford it to build to the same scale.

China stands on its own, has increasingly the national interest and strategic needs to develop the military capabilities that go with it. It will also have the resources to fund them. It will take time, for sure.

Fortunately, the Chinese leadership and PLA leadership have the right vision. Even at this early stage, we're seeing China plans to build a 12,000 ton class destroyer (055), not limiting it to under 10,000 tons just because Burke is; we're also seeing the 901 class supply ship under construction likely to exceed 50,000 tons; we've also heard and are seeing signs that China's first LHD will be around 40,000 tons, far exceeding all other nations and approaching the Wasp-class.

At this point, China still has considerable technology gaps and may not need the same quantity as the US in many armament, but that doesn't mean China aims or should aim for less quality.
Flattops have many functions but you can imagine that when amphibious operation is of less weight and sea control is of more weight the optimum goes from fewer large ones ( ten of 100k ) to more of lesser size, say 14 0f 70k and not to 14 of 100k. Money remains important.
 

antiterror13

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In thirty years, China is world power number one, and for adequate military equipment the foundation is now laid. I call this farsighted.

In thirty years, China has the same need for aircraft carriers such as the United States now, assuming no other technology replaces these expensive vessels.

In 30 years means 2045 ... I highly doubt China' navy would be more powerful militarily than the US. For Army I would say yes, for Air Force ... no
 

Jeff Head

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Guys, this is the Chinese aircraft Carrier Thread...not the whose navy will be most powerful in 30 years thread.

Such comparisons do not add materially to this discussion about the carriers that China is building.

China will have its maritime needs...now and in 30 years...irrespective of which navy is considered "most powerful."

So lets just let that whole discussion drop.

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lcloo

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From Recruitment page of Jiangnan Shipyard official website. I can think of only one ship, i.e. type 002 aircraft carrier. I believe they do not built nuke powered subs in JNCX yard.

This recruitment aims at fresh graduates of 2016. They do not build a ship with fresh graduates, these are trainees/ supporting personnel assisting those who are already in place.

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delft

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From Recruitment page of Jiangnan Shipyard official website. I can think of only one ship, i.e. type 002 aircraft carrier. I believe they do not built nuke powered subs in JNCX yard.

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Type 002 will start building soon so this looks like preparation for a later, nuclear powered, flattop. Perhaps also for nuclear powered cruisers to start building around 2030 or even later. Thorium anyone?
 

port_08

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In another 15 years, 2030. China economy will grow twice the size it is now. By this time, type 001 & 002 carrier will be fully operational and type 003? (probably new catapult or emal) will be in building stage. We do not know type 003, China third carrier will plan for a leap using EMAL or incremental steps to CATAPULT launch system. And possible the third carrier will be a nuclear one. Sigh....another 15 years.....
 

antiterror13

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In another 15 years, 2030. China economy will grow twice the size it is now. By this time, type 001 & 002 carrier will be fully operational and type 003? (probably new catapult or emal) will be in building stage. We do not know type 003, China third carrier will plan for a leap using EMAL or incremental steps to CATAPULT launch system. And possible the third carrier will be a nuclear one. Sigh....another 15 years.....

agree, but at that time (2030) the cost building it would be more than double
 

Quickie

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In another 15 years, 2030. China economy will grow twice the size it is now. By this time, type 001 & 002 carrier will be fully operational and type 003? (probably new catapult or emal) will be in building stage. We do not know type 003, China third carrier will plan for a leap using EMAL or incremental steps to CATAPULT launch system. And possible the third carrier will be a nuclear one. Sigh....another 15 years.....
There are signs China is building a second indigenous carrier, but the third carrier will only come on in 15 years time? Did I miss anything?
 

asif iqbal

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Very interesting

Imagine 2 x STOBAR carriers operational in PLAN

A Chinese CSG would add 2-3 x Type 052D/Type 055 with a Type 901 replenishment tanker with a Type 093 SSN

The Type 055 would cover the entire strike package and the two x DDG would cover all other areas plus giving the tanker cover for when it falls behind

Ahead of the package would sails the SSN

Formation sailing it's called, I bet chinese have been practicing this behind the scenes

For sure when they deploy they don't want to be caught off guard or out of place

They will be training training training for all scenarios and for the events for which there is no training

Carrier business is a tough one
 

Blitzo

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Very interesting

Imagine 2 x STOBAR carriers operational in PLAN

A Chinese CSG would add 2-3 x Type 052D/Type 055 with a Type 901 replenishment tanker with a Type 093 SSN

The Type 055 would cover the entire strike package and the two x DDG would cover all other areas plus giving the tanker cover for when it falls behind

Ahead of the package would sails the SSN

Formation sailing it's called, I bet chinese have been practicing this behind the scenes

For sure when they deploy they don't want to be caught off guard or out of place

They will be training training training for all scenarios and for the events for which there is no training

Carrier business is a tough one

I think I'd be more comfortable with 2-4 FFGs and 2-4 DDGs and a large DDG, depending on intensity of the combat zone.
Call it 2 054As (or future successor) with 2 052Ds and an 055 for standard escort during peacetime and against low tech foes, while 4 054As and 4 052Ds and an 055 for escort against a higher technology foe.
 
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