shen
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the module is still in mid-air, not on the hull. you can still see the cables, although mostly blurred by censor.
PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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the module is still in mid-air, not on the hull. you can still see the cables, although mostly blurred by censor.
asif iqbal
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But then the question is
It's Dalian, it's the dry dock equipped for carrier construction and they would not build any other vessel
So what is it? My thoughts are the same what I said all along its a carrier
But I can say for sure, this pace is fast very fast and it will only be a matter of time before its established that it's a carrier
I joined SDF around 10 years ago and only started posting afterwards when it came out carrier was under construction and I've been hooked on since
I can't believe i had to wait so long for it !
It's Dalian, it's the dry dock equipped for carrier construction and they would not build any other vessel
So what is it? My thoughts are the same what I said all along its a carrier
But I can say for sure, this pace is fast very fast and it will only be a matter of time before its established that it's a carrier
I joined SDF around 10 years ago and only started posting afterwards when it came out carrier was under construction and I've been hooked on since
I can't believe i had to wait so long for it !
Intrepid
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It does not end with a wall but with a box structure, which contains rooms, stairs, workshops and so on. I hope, everybody can imagine on this picture: The roof (not a single deck, but two decks with the so called "gallery" in between) ist still missing.
The whole thing: three decks below the waterline, three decks between engine rooms and hangardeck (Liaoning for example only two), three decks beside the hangar (Liaoning also only two), one deck above the hangar.
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Yes, of course it is structure...like I said in my quote, where I said:
Jeff said:
These are very large combat vessels that have to be structurally sound. But the hanger ties into the structure along the hull..
Like this.
Here from the inside, you can see that structure on each side.
This is it from the outside.
That is what I mean by coming up to the edge on each side.
In some spots there will additional structure...sponsons, like those you can see. But structurally, the hanger deck reaches across from one side of the vessel to the other and ends on each side at that side structure.
This is the type of thing I will be looking for.
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plawolf
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Hey Jeff,
I have looked through your analysis, and I see a flaw in your reasoning - you are assuming that section of hanger deck is where it is ultimately designed to go. But that may well not be the case. Rather than a shot of the first module locked in place, it could easily show a section in the process of being moved.
Would it not make sense for them to install the hanger deck from one of the ends of the ship rather then from the middle?
That section pictured looks to me like its the more forward section of hanger deck, so would actually sit a fair bit further forwards towards the bow of the ship.
That would easily explain the width discrepancy you noted. This just happens to be a snapshot of them in the process of moving the hanger deck section.
Well, despite your point, I do not think my reasoning is flawed...and here's why.
The hanger deck for large carriers extends along the length of the central part of the carrier, across the hull to each side (as shown above). It has to so that the elevators can give access..
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Those hanger decks do not get narrower as the hull narrows. They end before that happens.
On the Kusnetsov and the Liaoning, on the port side, the hanger deck ends at the side structure of the vessel, but also with significant sponsons providing for the deck overhang above it on that side. On that side, for these STOBAR carriers it is true you do not have as clear cut a termination of the hanger deck on that side above the level of the hanger deck.
But at the floor of the hanger, you will because it ties structurally into the hull there for its major strength...but also attaching to the sponson structure supporting the deck overhang..
As I have siad...I am not necessarily saying that what is being built is not the carrier...or that those sections shown are not necessarily the hanger. If you have read my posts, you will see that I have stated that.
I am simply saying that based on what I have seen, I am not sure of it yet. I am not ready to definitively say it is. when I see the type of things I have indicated in my posts...I will be ready to do so. we just cannot see them yet.
When I do...I will happily post it.
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I think this entire debate regarding the specific picture of the hangar module's actual position relative to the ship is kind of pointless.... the picture in question was highly doctored to avoid giving away too many details (which is causing the confusion regarding the width of the hangar module's walls in the first place), and it could have been taken while the module was being moved... there are all manner of plausible explanations for why we see what we see in the specific picture.
In other words, what we see from the picture is not really important, but rather we should be considering what the pictures collectively reveal, once we compensate for the deliberate doctoring and the application of our previous evidence (along with logic in general) and previous patterns of revelation.
In this case, I think we have more than enough evidence with these latest few photos -- despite them being significantly doctored and despite the blurred nature -- to quite confidently say that they have begun assembling the hangar module to the rest of the ship.
The details at this point of the revelation is not very important, because trying to assess the details when the pictures are deliberately made to avoid giving away the details is illogical.
In other words, what we see from the picture is not really important, but rather we should be considering what the pictures collectively reveal, once we compensate for the deliberate doctoring and the application of our previous evidence (along with logic in general) and previous patterns of revelation.
In this case, I think we have more than enough evidence with these latest few photos -- despite them being significantly doctored and despite the blurred nature -- to quite confidently say that they have begun assembling the hangar module to the rest of the ship.
The details at this point of the revelation is not very important, because trying to assess the details when the pictures are deliberately made to avoid giving away the details is illogical.
JayBird
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Exactly Bltizo! That's why the original poster(fzgfzy) said all along that these pictures are just for showing the general progress of 001A for the military enthusiasts. There is no need to scrutinize the details for now.
But you guys think is a good time for our buddy SOC to get another round of airbus Defence HD satellite photos over Dalian shipyard in about a month or two with the new changes now? You can do it Sean!
Bltizo, I have said all along that I am simply not ready to say that this is what others feel it may be.
I have never said it is definitely not.
Some folks want to discuss the details and why I feel that way. Some people take issue with it.
For those people interested, and clearly for me in my original post...the discussion is apparently not pointless.
Aha...so the discussion is not so "pointless" after all!
No...it is not illogical. There are details revealed. Some of them can be very telling. So we simply disagree.
No big deal.
You are prepared to call if for your reasons...I am not, for my own.
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