This is bittersweet for me, but secrecy is important and I agree with their policy. I hope their weapons development accelerates so more eye candy can go public.
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This is bittersweet for me, but secrecy is important and I agree with their policy. I hope their weapons development accelerates so more eye candy can go public.
danielchin
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According to f*j* China had announced a "military mission" which to be carried out from now on to until December 5 in Bohai Straits and northern Yellow Sea area.
Here are the said 4 coordinates:
1. 38°51′41″N 121°38′12″E
2. 38°34′12″N 121°38′12″E
3. 38°33′55″N 121°07′51″E
4. 38°48′13″N 121°14′03″E
Just a wild guess: the beloved CV-16 is coming home?
Here are the said 4 coordinates:
1. 38°51′41″N 121°38′12″E
2. 38°34′12″N 121°38′12″E
3. 38°33′55″N 121°07′51″E
4. 38°48′13″N 121°14′03″E
Just a wild guess: the beloved CV-16 is coming home?
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Hendrik_2000
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Well if we don't have wall climber anymore we still get the glimpse from Model builder . Here is Andrew Erickson take on the future China flat top based on model. As always he has low opinion on China's capabilities in building nuclear reactor But he forgot China has more than 25 years experience in building nuclear reactor for Submarine which is very challenging in term of radiation safety due to cramp and no fresh air underwater.
So as usual his opinion is more of wishful thinking that China will somehow stumble in their effort. Well good luck. Right now China civilian nuclear industry aside from France is the most active and well funded in the world Plan is in motion to build 30 reactors. China research in Thorium cycle is very advance and they are now on 3rd generation Nuclear reactor design characteristic by non human intervention of safety shut down system
Andrew S. Erickson, “Have We Just Glimpsed China’s Vision of Future Aircraft Carrier Designs?” China Analysis from Original Sources 以第一手资料研究中国 (6 December 2014).
A high-caliber model manufacturer may just have provided a unique glimpse into the Chinese vision of aircraft carriers to come. To stimulate discussion in China-watching circles, it is useful to assess the commercial enterprise’s three new indigenous carrier models critically and consider their possible significance before watching for other indicators of how things will ultimately unfold in reality. At very least, this offers a great solution for last-minute holiday gift shopping.
The dimensions and specifications of China’s first aircraft carrier CV16 (Liaoning) are well-known. Based on the Russian Project 11436 hull Varyag, it was long visible under refitting in Dalian Naval Shipyard before finally going to sea in 2011.
Now Jinshuai Model Crafts, based in Zhanjiang City, Jiashan District, is displaying models of putative hulls 17, 18, and 19 on its website and catalogs. These models provide clues to a vital question: what direction will China’s domestic aircraft carrier design and production take? In short, the models suggest: China will progress as quickly as possible to a large nuclear-powered design, similar to a Nimitz- or Ford-class hull with Chinese characteristics, and let deck aviation capabilities grow into the gargantuan new platform as they become able to do so.
Why take the time to analyze these depictions seriously? First, while other models have appeared, to this author’s knowledge this is the first representation of hulls 17-19. The idea of a trio is particularly interesting, because various Chinese sources have described CV16 as merely a training carrier, while stating that China needs at least three fully-functional aircraft carriers. According to People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Academy of Military Science Research Fellow Du Wenlong, this is so that “one is always available for operational missions, while the second is used for training and the third is resupplied and retrofitted.” Second, Jinshuai Model Crafts purports to be a cut above the rest. Located near the South Sea Fleet Headquarters in Zhanjiang, it produces a wide range of meticulously detailed models of PLA Navy (PLAN) vessels. The company claims to have produced models given as official gifts by PLA attachés, for fleet visits, and in conjunction with naval diplomacy in the Gulf of Aden—something that would seem to require a track record of at least somewhat passable plausibility. Finally, this company would seem to have an economic incentive to maximize sales by offering the most accurate and forward-looking items possible. It likely has access to contacts and information to help ensure that its representations of platforms are as realistic as possible, particularly in their broader parameters. Where the model builder may be “winging it” a bit with these aircraft carrier models concerns associated weapons systems, sensors, and aircraft. Here, their description is less than official and appears to be influenced by Internet speculation.
Explicit caveat up front: Unless otherwise stated, specifications for weapons and sensors listed below are not from the models themselves, but from nameplates accompanying models of CV17 and CV18. Nameplate data regarding overall carrier dimensions and performance parameters are plausible, but nameplate data regarding weapons and sensors are often inconsistent with what is depicted on the model. These nameplate data are nevertheless included here to offer grist for further discussion and analysis. That is the larger purpose of this writing: not to offer conclusions that go beyond the limited and sometimes contradictory paraphernalia marketed by Jinshuai Model Crafts thus far, but rather to stimulate deeper examination of China’s ongoing development of a highly complex, symbolic system of systems for the seas and air above them.
Like Liaoning, CV17 also has a ski jump. The nameplate accompanying the model cites a length of 315 m, width of 75 m, draft of 9 m, and cruising speed of 31 knots. CV17 is credited with a standard displacement of 65,000 tons and a full displacement of 80,000 tons. These figures seem plausible.
Rather than representing a mere Chinese copy of the Project 11437 Ul’yanovsk-class-derived carrier, however, CV17’s smokestack shape and exhaust stack arrangement suggests a transition to all gas turbines, or even a diesel/gas turbine combination, instead of nuclear reactors and steam turbines. In another sign of intended design improvements, the model boasts a hydrodynamic projected bulbous bow.
One curiosity in the CV17 model is its incorporation of both a ski-jump and two catapults. While certainly odd from a U.
A curious article. China doesn't import German and French diesel engines. It builds the imported designs. A comparison between a naval nuclear reactor and a High Temperature Gas Cooled Reactor is ludicrous. And indeed the nuclear powered carrier is far away and no serious design will yet have been made. Perhaps the first will already be fitted with Thorium reactors.
I still believe, if China wants to relatively rapidly build up its force to four carriers, we wills see:
1st One or two Liaoning-like STOBAR indigenous carriers, without catapults launched in the late teens.
2nd At least two indigenous PLAN conventional CATOBAR carriers, launched around the mid-2020s.
3rd A follow-on nuclear CATOBAR carrier class in the 2030s.
If they want to take longer to get to that number, they may dispense with the conventional CATOBAR design...but I do not think so.
China at this point should be able to build a 60 to 70000 ton aircraft carrier. There will be technical challenges for sure but those can be overcome. I think that China at this point is still putting off in starting to build its first indigenous carrier. They want to hit the ground running with their first indigenous carrier. They want one with as few flaws in the design as they can. So they need to absorb more experience and lessons in carrier ops from the Liaoning. That in turn can help them to further improve the design of the future carrier. And that takes time.
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