PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Jeff Head

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tphuang said:
For the good of PLAN, I sincerely hope there is major differences between the first domestic carrier and Adm K class even if the external dimensions are similar. While they made serious interior changes to CV-16 to better the living condition of sailors for long missions, they can only do so much with an existing design, I don't have any issue with building another stobar carrier, but I do hope they get something other than steam turbine to provide power.
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I expect that there will be quite a few significant changes.

The entire missile silos and the structure around them for the SSMs will never be there and that space much more judiciously designed. I expect they can (working with a clean slate from the ground up on this design) accomdate gas turbines into the design if they so desire. I expect that there will be significant improvments to the hanger deck, and to the elevators...probably making them bigger and perhaps even changing location a little. I expect that the island may end up smaller with more parking space on deck. Although it would not be as noticable, I expect that the bunkerage will be different and more in line with the PLANs needs and long term outlook on Carrier operations. The way munitions are stroered and handled may well be changed and be improved.

We will see with that design if the PLAN is comfortable with and intending on long-term J-15 commitment to PLAN's Naval Aviation. If so, things on the carrier will be set up to enhance and allow for the J-15s individual characteristics, as well as including whatever their next generation go forward plans are.

A truly PRC/PLAN build of the Liaoning will be significantly improved over the Kunestov, and will provide the PLAn with a very logical and well thought out stepping stone to their next carriers, which IMHO will definitely be CATOBAR.
 
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kroko said:
Dont get your hopes too high. China doesnt appear to have much alternative to steam power for its first domestic carrier.
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I'm wondering what's stopping them simply connecting like, 8 QC-280s together?
 
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The next generation carrier-based stealth fighter was rumored to be under development at the 611 Institute based on J-20. First flight is expected by 2015. The latest rurmor (July 2013) claimed that it just won the competition with the smaller J-21 (navalized) from the 601 Institute.
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J-20 is a big bird, it need big "nestle", CVN with electromagnetic calt, or Forrestal class, we will see.

I think to ask the PLAN to build a Forrestal CV is just like ask the PLAAF to build the F-4, I think the Forrestal is probably a little bit older than the F-4, isn't it?
 
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Bltizo said:
I'm wondering what's stopping them simply connecting like, 8 QC-280s together?
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Perhaps gas turbine electric. That would easily provide power for EM cats when they are available.
It might well be that Chinese naval architects will have more ideas to test out for which you would rather use a GT powered carrier than a nuclear powered one so the number GT powered carriers might be more than 2.
A possibility is that China will early develop nuclear powered carriers as Jeff envisions but also produces half size carriers ( 40k or so ) with gas turbine propulsion that are also used for testing out different ideas. They would carry helicopters of course but probably also UAV's and might experiment with cats and possibly many other things
 
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kroko said:
Care to elaborate why do you think so?



Dont get your hopes too high. China doesnt appear to have much alternative to steam power for its first domestic carrier.
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Until about 1990, China only built copies and extrapolations of Soviet designs.

Only with Type 052 did they build definitely non-Soviet ships, in all probability with a lot of design assistance from DCNS of France. Same with Type 039 submarines that are clearly based on the AGOSTA class.

The only big combatant ship other than destroyers that are developments of the 052 design are the Type 071 LPD’s, which is a fairly simple transport.

That China without difficulty could go from designing smallish destroyer to designing an immensely complicated thing like an aircraft carrier does stretch my credulity. You are normally quite sceptical about China’s capabilities, so I am really surprised that you would ask this question.

Plus, of course, China has zero experience in operating aircraft carriers. Once they have been flying a complete air group off the LIAONING for a couple of years, they will have a number of useful ideas for improving the design.

Dalian is the one shipyard with a lot of experience with steam turbines, which makes it virtually a certainty that they will provide the propulsion for Type 001A.
 
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franco-russe said:
Until about 1990, China only built copies and extrapolations of Soviet designs.

That China without difficulty could go from designing smallish destroyer to designing an immensely complicated thing like an aircraft carrier does stretch my credulity.
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well into the 1990s, China was still building aircrafts originally designed by the Soviet in the 1950s, today China is building the J-20.

how "immensely complicated" is a CVN that america could build one in the 1950s?
 
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LesAdieux said:
well into the 1990s, China was still building aircrafts originally designed by the Soviet in the 1950s, today China is building the J-20.

how "immensely complicated" is a CVN that america could build one in the 1950s?
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complicated enough that USN remains the only navy has all the experience in building, doing strategic planning, tactical planning, training and capability to use it to the fullest of its potential.

J-20 is certainly a big leap, but it is a prototype, that is all to it and everything else remains to be seen.
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