Removing the Granit missile's is part of the story. By increasing the automation on the ship and removing the rest of the considerable weapons systems from the original design and replacing them with just a few weapons for self defense they have been able to reduce the size of the crew by several hundreds. And that has help to open up a lot of space on board the ship.
PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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Perhaps, but the PLAN is no longer just an easy roll over for those JMSDF. Besides I see nothing on the JMSDF naval ships that a DF-21D can not hit.
Submarines.
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Nice! Three destroyers and frigates. Hopefully, this arrangement will be the standard make up in the future, as the PLAN is going to need a lot of ships to keep foreign ships away from the carrier.
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China has them too.
Well, I'd hazard that not even two Hyugas are worth a fully functional STOBAR carrier (which of course liaoning isn't yet), and the izumo is still years away from commissioning.
I think what equation is getting at more is just the impressiveness of the picture rather than making a direct comparison with the JMSDF itself.
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Anyway, as impressive as this picture is, I think what this exercise shows is less important than what it doesn't show, that is to say, this picture has 6 modern blue water capable escorts, and an LPD in addition to the carrier, yet it also represents a potentially realistic blue water task force for the near future, and it is realistic because of the burgeoning escort fleet in the rest of the PLAN which allows a formation like what we see here be an operational reality rather than a mere one timer photo op.
1st, Pigsy:If the first nuclear carrier is comng in 2034 then somebody needs to get fired! If China can build the world's biggest HST network in less than 10 years, then people would expect them to knock that stuff out in the same time frame
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2nd, the building of a nuclear carrier is not "excrement," it is a very complex and difficult task that only two nations in history have ever accomplished...and for the French it has been so difficult, that they have not built a second.
Those dates were just my own forecast based on my background and experience. They may do it faster...but I do not epect it will be miuch faster.
The PLAN has already announced that they will build two more STOBAR carriers starting here in 2014 that will be upgrades to the Liaoning. That will take them a good ten years to build, launch, trial, commission, and then work up and make fully operational.
They may start building a CATOBAR carrier after that, but I seriously doubt the first one will be nuclear. So add another 6-8 years.
After that time they may start building a nuclear one in my estimation. And if they do, and have five carriers operating in the 2030s and one of them nuclear, followed by a second...then that will be an amazing, monumental accomplishment for the PLAN and the PRC.
Well, let's not get into the DF-21D discussion. We have been around and around on the forum regarding it. For me, until the PLAN demonstrates, with a live fire test, the ability to actually hit a maneuvering vessel/target at sea (which has not happened) it is a system that is not really close to being proven. But it is a threat...no doubt...and the PLAN/PRC is making the most of it.
However, as regards the rest...there is no doubt that the JMSDF cannot and does not view the PLAN as a push over. They are VERY concerned about it and are trying to build new vessels and capabilities to counter the PLAN. They just do not have the economic muscle, IMHO, to be able to keep up with the rate we see the PLAN advancing.
This documentation of these exercises at this was carefully thought out by the PLAN and issued now for very direct reasons. And they have done it very well.
They are sending a message. And it is a strong message.
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It's really a YES and NO answer at the same time. Psychologically, CN has always been a brown water force with marginal capability on the open seas. So now the basic CSG formation has been put together, a huge leap forward from the brown water days, there's definitely a sense of alarm. Hasn't that been the mantra of 2013 with nations like Japan, Vietnam, and the Philippines? All of them have been hyping the China threat every chance they got.
The NO part is obviously the actual current naval capabilities between CN and JMSDF is still a wide gap. Japan will respond by increasing their budget and building more vessels. But if the current trajectory keeps up and China is able to keep growing their economy (maybe develop more its domestic market instead of being solely an export market), the CN roster will leap ahead. Even if each unit is not as technically superior, the sum of all parts will change the balance.
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