PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

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The development of the world situation is deteriorating, and I have a premonition that the United States is planning to actively ignite the fuse of the strait.
DPP is making every effort to create cultural division and raise the cost of peace plans. The people on the island openly admit that they would not hesitate to choose 'independence' in the absence of military threats.

Politically, DPP is also actively helping the United States to destroy the public opinion environment in Chinese Mainland. Their online propaganda power is more effective than the CIA's hands-on efforts. The problem does not disappear just because you pretend not to see it. DPP is actually on the offensive side and has successfully cooperated with the United States to control the world's perception of China.
Perhaps they are just a group of clowns and thugs, but they cleverly utilize the world situation to play a role far beyond their own strength.
This is not a simple issue of 'flag color', this is not an HOI game, this is a serious topic related to political and social stability.

Since ROC intends to use all despicable means to save its fate, force is the ultimate solution that must be considered.
The DPP is an unserious actor. In a frozen conflict, the priority should have been to build up forces. Instead they're busy enforcing ideological compliance, without the military to back it up.

In the third straits crisis, the balance of power between US and China was similar to between Russia and Ukraine in 2022. The American leadership is more serious than the DPP, but also lacks decisive strength and the ability to build up arms in a coherent manner, probably because of the flip flopping between Republican and Democrat.

Because US didn't act in the 2000s, the nightmare scenario of any country seeking to expand it's territory has come to pass, and then some more. Either US will helplessly look on as it's pet rebels get slaughtered, or it's forced to mount a special military operation in Asia, which will be bombed since day 1 from the sky and sea that Beijing controls.

If you think there was ever any consideration besides force, you're mistaken. The veneer of negotiation was only used to get time to rearm the country, which China has pulled off significantly better than US and infinitely better than DPP.

The ideological compliance of Taiwanese does not matter, China is holding Taiwan to defend its land first and foremost. This is also the DPP's mistake, their effort to create division makes the people and infrastructure of Taiwan useless to Beijing. When Taiwan isn't providing money, talent or goods to the mainland, there are no more counterarguments to why the PLA shouldn't turn the whole island into a giant parking lot.

US has floated 2027 as the time where a counteroffensive will be started. There is a lot of derision against US intel prediction, but since this matter concerns the fate of the new US territories, I believe this is a close to correct estimate.

By 2027, China will be warm with using new emerging industries for war, it will be able to surge a superior number of CBGs, SSNs and 5th gens compared to US forces in the opening weeks of the counteroffensive, it may likely have the only 6th gen in service, among many other more advantages.

The DPP is failing US' attempt to create new territories, because what do you think DPP trained militants will do in the face of the coming counteroffensive? Having observed their behavior, they're very lacking in the will to fight. When a retired militant leader was allowed to visit the Zhuhai Airshow on a civilian visa, the DPP's reaction to seeing even just static weapons on display was to censor the whole thing. This shows a grossly incompetent attitude, a smarter US leader should have purged the DPP.
 

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If you think there was ever any consideration besides force, you're mistaken. The veneer of negotiation was only used to get time to rearm the country, which China has pulled off significantly better than US and infinitely better than DPP.

The ideological compliance of Taiwanese does not matter, China is holding Taiwan to defend its land first and foremost. This is also the DPP's mistake, their effort to create division makes the people and infrastructure of Taiwan useless to Beijing. When Taiwan isn't providing money, talent or goods to the mainland, there are no more counterarguments to why the PLA shouldn't turn the whole island into a giant parking lot.
Personally, I'm pretty content knowing that CCP does not subscribe to this type of fringe hypernationalism.

And never will, hopefully. Just my 2c
 

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Personally, I'm pretty content knowing that CCP does not subscribe to this type of fringe hypernationalism.

And never will, hopefully. Just my 2c
There's nothing nationalist named by me above. The conflict is frozen, that is objective no? And the military buildup is also objective.

That Beijing has prepared much better for a conflict than US and the DPP has barely done anything to ready themselves in the frozen conflict.

I'm just describing what has happened, and what that leads to happening next.

Sure we can be in disagreement on how much preemptive security China should spend effort on, which you consider to be "hypernationalism". But we're not talking about that, only about China's territorial defense, this is something any government, even the very pro-western current leadership, will not move on.
 

Dante80

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Sure we can be in disagreement on how much preemptive security China should spend effort on, which you consider to be "hypernationalism". But we're not talking about that, only about China's territorial defense, this is something any government, even the very pro-western current leadership, will not move on.
The hypernationalism part is the idea that the moment Taiwan stops being "useful" to the PRC, it is going to (or should) become a parking lot.

Unless you meant something else, but this is literally what you wrote.

This is also the DPP's mistake, their effort to create division makes the people and infrastructure of Taiwan useless to Beijing. When Taiwan isn't providing money, talent or goods to the mainland, there are no more counterarguments to why the PLA shouldn't turn the whole island into a giant parking lot.
 

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The hypernationalism part is the idea that the moment Taiwan stops being "useful" to the PRC, it is going to (or should) become a parking lot.

Unless you meant something else, but this is literally what you wrote.
Then it would be best for American hypernationalists and the "moderate rebels" they sponsor to not wake up Chinese people.

Of course China always wants everyone to contribute in a helpful way. Should is your own word, what I wrote is "if", in response to someone else talking about the DPP trying to sever ties, which I'm saying is a grave mistake.
 

votran

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Anyone who isnt 100% on the idealism train knows one day China will have to use force. The question is when.

Maybe Yellowstone park will explode or a meteor magically hits USA and removes it without China doing anything. Or someone their president is retarded enough to dissolve the USA. Then that would be pretty optimal.

But since we don't expect that to happen we will just have to see what's the entry price to buy into war.
the question is how PRC gonna do it ?

follow russia footsteps : muh respect civilian life , muh peaceful invasion and end up with a massive loss pyrrhic victory , maybe even defeat in case something gone wrong

or have the balls to do it the best way ?

CCP and PRC society must ask themselves the question : is ~30 milions potential rebels lives , their infrastructures worth to pick the first option ?

just fucking forget an intact semi conductor industry that for sure
 
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"China vows strong, resolute countermeasures following US approval of $385 million arms sales to Taiwan region"

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" 'Protection fees' cannot save 'Taiwan independence': Taiwan Affairs Office spokesperson on US arms sales to Taiwan"

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I wonder which company of the US MIC will be sanctioned this time.
 

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"China vows strong, resolute countermeasures following US approval of $385 million arms sales to Taiwan region"

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" 'Protection fees' cannot save 'Taiwan independence': Taiwan Affairs Office spokesperson on US arms sales to Taiwan"

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联合利剑2024-C incoming
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