PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

i.e. said:

the fascination is not with taiwan, it is with making china whole again.

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Taiwan was ceded to Japan by China as part of the Treaty of Shimonoseki (馬關條約) in 1895. I am not sure why you believe that Taiwan is still a part of China. Even after Japan's surrender in 1945, Taiwan was never officially given to China as many people seem to believe. China ruled Taiwan for 200 years. Considering that China has been around for several millennia, I hardly think a 200 year stint under Chinese rule qualifies Taiwan as China's birthright which she needs so she can be "whole again."

The treaty of Shimonosheki is invalid and revoked by the treaty of San Francisco because it was made under duress as such is illegal

Hendrik_2000 said:

that is assuming the draftee in Taiwan army has stomach to fight which is not certain. Taiwan draftee is notorious for low morale and used to comfortable city life.

You only need 4 missiles to shut down and airfield And how many airfield are there? Most of Taiwan airfield are not protected. They are sitting duck on the ramp. Even US cannot be certain to win war because they only have limited number of airfield in Asia and again most of them are not hardened.

Anyway war over Taiwan will quickly spread over other Asian country. I mean Japan bases and Korea bases will certainly not spare from damage.

So when you lost all those supporting bases , the closest base in in Guam a long distance away . Bomber need tanker and fighter escort.

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Low moral in a conscription army is a common occurrence and is not isolated just to Taiwan. If you think Taiwanese males or even females are going to just lay down their guns as their homes are being invaded you had better think again. Also, as Kurt pointed out, the logistics necessary to support the size of force needed to pacify Taiwan will be enormous. You are correct when you point out that a cross straight conflict will drag Japan and South Korea into the war. Would the use of force in annexing Taiwan really be worth it?

Hendrik_2000 said:

The treaty of Shimonosheki is invalid and revoked by the treaty of San Francisco because it was made under duress as such is illegal

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Taiwan was not ceded to anyone under The Treaty of San Francisco. Japan simply relinquished sovereignty over Taiwan. If anything, it was ceded to the ROC who was in charge of Taiwan at that time. So tell me again why you think Taiwan is a part of China.

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Hello Kitty said:

If anything, it was ceded to the ROC who was in charge of Taiwan at that time. So tell me again why you think Taiwan is a part of China.

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What is the C in the ROC again?

We were told some pages ago that it was occupied by the US at the time and that the RoC government is there on sufferance. At the same time that government is not formally recognized by the US. Only the government in Beijing is and the maintenance of the RoC as a US protectorate is clearly contrary to the Charter of the United Nations that was written, mostly by US diplomats, in 1945.

Hello Kitty said:

Taiwan was not ceded to anyone under The Treaty of San Francisco. Japan simply relinquished sovereignty over Taiwan. If anything, it was ceded to the ROC who was in charge of Taiwan at that time. So tell me again why you think Taiwan is a part of China.

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Japan only sign peace treaty with ROC under pressure from US This treaty is abrogated by Japan when she recognized China as the sole representative of China

The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (Chinese: 中日和平條約, Japanese: 日華平和条約), commonly known as the Treaty of Taipei (Chinese: 台北和約), was a peace treaty between Japan and the Republic of China (ROC) signed in Taipei, Taiwan on April 28, 1952. This treaty was necessary, because neither the Republic of China nor the People's Republic of China was invited to sign the Treaty of Peace with Japan (Treaty of San Francisco) due to disagreements by other countries as to which government was the legitimate government of China during and after the Chinese Civil War. Under pressure from the United States, Japan signed a separate peace treaty with the Republic of China to bring the war between the two states to a formal end with the victory by the ROC. Although the ROC itself was not a participant of San Francisco Peace Treaty due to the resumption of Chinese Civil War after 1945, this treaty largely correlates itself to the San Francisco Peace Treaty. In particular, ROC waived service compensation to Japan in this treaty with respect to Article 14 (a) 1 of the San Francisco Treaty.

The Treaty of Taipei was abrogated by the Japanese government on Sept. 29, 1972