PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

siegecrossbow

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That is part of the deterrent effect.

If the US military starts striking targets in mainland China and there are Chinese submarines with ballistic missiles, it's almost guaranteed that China will respond by striking military targets in the Continental US.

So as long as China's nuclear deterrent is large enough for MAD, then this helps deter the US from striking targets in mainland China.

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On the topic of deterrence, one of the things that has recently occurred is non-Western central banks putting together an alternative to the USD payment network using CBDCs and swap lines, as per Bloomberg and Credit Suisse, amongst others. This really picked up momentum since Ukraine and then the Pelosi visit which scared a lot of countries.

Basically the day that the US sanctions China is the day that the US Dollar dies as the global reserve currency, which will impose huge costs on the US. But this doesn't appear to have been discussed much outside of financial or government spheres.

This is why RMB doesn't need to replace the dollar for dedollarization to happen. As long as other countries figure out how to trade without USD, that's technically dedollarization.

Way to go killing the goose that lays golden eggs Pelosi.
 

tphuang

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Bringing the discussion over from the Breaking & World News Thread (Breaking & World News! III NO DISCUSSION!!).

By now, I believe that China and Australia both understood the importance of Indonesia, Timor Leste, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands for their own safety and security as the tensions across the WestPac keep piling up. In Beijing's view, in case of war in the WestPac over Taiwan, Australia certainly would intervene in the conflict against China by playing the role as the US Airfield No. 2.

In this context, the archipelago chain of Indonesia, Timor Leste, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands would either:
1. Work for China (by becoming a barrier):
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2. Or work against China (by becoming a spike strip):
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Therefore, in order to safeguard China's southern regions from attacks by Australian and American bombers, warships and long-range missiles originating from Australia, I think Beijing should do her best to achieve some kind of agreements and deals with Jakarta, Dili, Timor Leste and Honaira that would:
#1 - Allowing Chinese radars to be stationed on Timor and/or Lesser Sunda Islands in order to provide early warning on B-52 bombers, warships and long-range missile strikes that are launched from and around Australia;
#2 - Enforcing ban against flyovers by Australian and American warplanes over their airspaces in case war breaks out, plus providing support to shoot down their warplanes in case they intrude Indonesian and/or Timor Leste airspaces (similar bans against overflying missiles should also be considered as well); and
#3 - Prevent any attempts by Washington DC and Canberra to do the same with their governments WRT points #1 and #2.

Regarding Indonesia's case in particular, I think would be in Beijing's interests to come to a permanent, negotiated settlement with Jakarta regarding their disputes over the EEZ around the Natuna Islands. This is because unlike the Parcel and Spratly Islands which China can use as bargaining chips when dealing with the Philippines, there is nothing in the SCS that China could use as a bargaining chip with Indonesia.

Time is of the essence.
I think it would be a good thing if China reaches a settlement with Indonesia, because it is in China's interest to have a great relationship with a rising power and also not alienate its neighbors.

But in terms of an actual conflict, China will fly over Indonesian air space regardless of how much complaints it may get. All prior negotiation is meaningless if you are losing the war.

Realistically, they should have plenty of assets to take out Australian bases that threaten them.
 

Stierlitz

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A Chinese military magazine has highlighted the vital role
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would play in the event of a war across the Taiwan Strait.
It said drones could be used to “assassinate enemy leaders” and that their use could minimise casualties by shortening the conflict. They could also be used to target
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’s mobile missile launchers and heavy weaponry.
The article in Ordnance Industry Science Technology outlines how a
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attack on Taiwan might unfold.
After launching “the final unification war”, the PLA would seek to “suppress the island of Taiwan in all direct mkions – land, sea, air, space, electricity and the internet”, according to the article.

It said drones would be key, noting their advantages over manned aircraft and other weapons systems.
“Manned combat aircraft can only stay in the air for a short time, usually three to four hours, which is completely different from the 30 to 40 hours of large and medium-sized drones,” it said.

Drones would also be the best way to attack smaller vessels, according to the article. “Long-endurance strike and reconnaissance drones like the GJ-2/11 and BZK-005C, TB-001 could carry out real-time surveillance and cooperate with attack helicopters to mount strikes against Taiwan’s smaller vessels.”

It also said with the deployment of WZ-7 high-altitude long-endurance reconnaissance drones, the PLA could extend a blockade of Taiwan to the
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. The strategic group of islands in the middle of the western Pacific Ocean includes Guam, where a US military base is located, some 2,700km (1,600 miles) from Taiwan.
In addition, the PLA’s attack and reconnaissance drones could target Taiwan’s mobile missile launchers and radar vehicles and destroy heavy weaponry like its Thunderbolt-2000, according to the article. The multiple launch rocket system was designed to fend off amphibious assault landing craft and other PLA warships during an attack.


Mainland China and Taiwan split in 1949 at the end of a civil war when the Kuomintang was defeated by Communist Party forces and fled to Taipei. Beijing sees the island as part of China and has never ruled out the use of force to take control of it.

Oishee Majumdar, a specialist on unmanned systems and Asia-Pacific security analyst at Janes, noted that PLA drones were regularly entering Taiwan’s air defence identification zone “and it’s likely that such incursions will continue”.

“However, according to the information identified by Taiwan and Janes, most of these Chinese drones are conducting ISR operations – intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance,” Majumdar said.

“For combat abilities, drones can indeed attack important military installations, disrupt military operations and affect civilian lives. But we don’t have evidence so far showing Chinese drones are capable of doing this.”
Majumdar also said Taiwan could be expected to develop counter-drone capabilities.

Tensions have been soaring across the Taiwan Strait since then-US House speaker
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in August, angering Beijing. The PLA responded with days of live-fire drills around Taiwan. It has continued to ramp up pressure on the island, with combat aircraft regularly sent into Taiwan’s air defence zone and further south over the Bashi Channel.

Combat drones have also been used in the PLA’s intimidation campaign. According to media reports, they include the TB-001 long-endurance strike and reconnaissance drone, the BZK-005 and BZK-007 long-range reconnaissance drones, the KVD-001 tactical reconnaissance and damage assessment drone, and the WZ-7 reconnaissance drone.

In September, Taiwan’s military
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from mainland China – the first time Taiwanese forces have brought down a drone over territory controlled by Taipei.

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alfreddango

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Drones would also be the best way to attack smaller vessels, according to the article. “Long-endurance strike and reconnaissance drones like the GJ-2/11 and BZK-005C, TB-001 could carry out real-time surveillance and cooperate with attack helicopters to mount strikes against Taiwan’s smaller vessels.”
hasn't the war in ukraine highlighted the facts that MALEs are hardly survivable if the enemy has some sort of air defense? even man portable systems can bring them down
 

HighGround

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hasn't the war in ukraine highlighted the facts that MALEs are hardly survivable if the enemy has some sort of air defense? even man portable systems can bring them down
In my opinion, the war in Ukraine demonstrated that drones like MALEs are vital to have in adequate numbers. They can undertake strike missions that would otherwise seriously risk pilots. Ukraine would never be able to poke and threaten Russian assets in places like Crimea or Belgorod otherwise.
 

lych470

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Bringing the discussion over from the Breaking & World News Thread (Breaking & World News! III NO DISCUSSION!!).

By now, I believe that China and Australia both understood the importance of Indonesia, Timor Leste, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands for their own safety and security as the tensions across the WestPac keep piling up. In Beijing's view, in case of war in the WestPac over Taiwan, Australia certainly would intervene in the conflict against China by playing the role as the US Airfield No. 2.

In this context, the archipelago chain of Indonesia, Timor Leste, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands would either:
1. Work for China (by becoming a barrier):
View attachment 105710
2. Or work against China (by becoming a spike strip):
View attachment 105711

Therefore, in order to safeguard China's southern regions from attacks by Australian and American bombers, warships and long-range missiles originating from Australia, I think Beijing should do her best to achieve some kind of agreements and deals with Jakarta, Dili, Timor Leste and Honaira that would:
#1 - Allowing Chinese radars to be stationed on Timor and/or Lesser Sunda Islands in order to provide early warning on B-52 bombers, warships and long-range missile strikes that are launched from and around Australia;
#2 - Enforcing ban against flyovers by Australian and American warplanes over their airspaces in case war breaks out, plus providing support to shoot down their warplanes in case they intrude Indonesian and/or Timor Leste airspaces (similar bans against overflying missiles should also be considered as well); and
#3 - Prevent any attempts by Washington DC and Canberra to do the same with their governments WRT points #1 and #2.

Regarding Indonesia's case in particular, I think would be in Beijing's interests to come to a permanent, negotiated settlement with Jakarta regarding their disputes over the EEZ around the Natuna Islands. This is because unlike the Parcel and Spratly Islands which China can use as bargaining chips when dealing with the Philippines, there is nothing in the SCS that China could use as a bargaining chip with Indonesia.

Time is of the essence.

I think both Aus and USA have realised the vital importance of the Pacific islands. Penny Wong has travelled to a number of those countries, and Aus has promised fat stacks of money to the islands.

Indonesia is a different case - there is definitely an anti-Western sentiment there that China could tap into.
 

tankphobia

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Aren't most mainstay Chinese UAVs for ISR/Strike actually much larger than the ones used in Ukraine? I'd think they'll be much more vunerable to AA fire compared to TB-2 for example, which basically only survived the first two days of the war before Russia got their AA in place.

The path forward may just be mass-decentralised AI controlled swarms rather than large expensive platforms that are prone to attrition.
 
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