PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

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zhangjim

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5unrise said:
hese are excellent works of art reflecting great talent on the part of the person making them. I have to say that they triggered strong but quite mixed emotions in me, and this shouldn't come as a surprise. Good artwork triggers strong emotions.
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If we analyze these works of art from a military perspective, air combat, presidential palace attacks and airport parachutes are actually very bad.

Stealth fighters such as the j-20 are more like a secret assassin, who can attack imperceptibly rather than dogfight with the F-16.

The occupation of the airport should be more rapid and unexpected. If this method of airborne landing is really adopted, we should see another scene: a large number of transport aircraft land on the airport runway, and then unload personnel and equipment.
Russia has just shown us the real result of the battle scene in the figure: the runway is blocked and the main force cannot reach the airport.

The picture of attacking the presidential palace is difficult to appear, because this key target is likely to be completely destroyed at the beginning of the war.
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Let me digress.
5unrise said:
I grew up in Kaoshiong and my father served in the RoC Navy as a military doctor. On the way to school, I often saw the Kee-Lung class (Kidd class) destroyers parked in the naval base he worked at - the ones being destroyed in the second painting. They were inspiring, majestic vessels to a young boy. I was often reminded by adults how they carried the power of the Chinese Navy - I am not that old, but this was before the whole independence fad truly got off the ground. If they do get sent to the bottom in the process of a forceful unification, it would be a shame and a total waste. The deaths of people who serve on board - as depicted in the art - would be tragic and completely meaningless.
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——It's hard for me to judge, but I always speak frankly.

The Kee-Lung class may be a majestic warship, but I will not be proud of it as a mainlander. These warships were not built by the Chinese at all. They are just outdated garbage sold by the United States. The customer had to accept the extortion of the United States, the only weapons supplier.
After the advent of 052C in the same year, this old ship was not worth mentioning.

Buying warships from foreign countries is not a problem, but relying on them is humiliating. This means that the serious problem of life and death has become a fragile gamble. Weapons are industrial products, not rare and non renewable resources.

There is a good saying: all weapons and equipment are consumables. We must accept the fact that any warship can be sunk.
5unrise said:
That picture just says we are basically defeated and subjugated, placed at the mercy of a stronger power.
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This is a very serious political issue,once the problem worsens to the point that everything must be solved by force, those personal feelings and complaints are meaningless.

The Taiwan-Japan Fishery Agreement is an important sign of my change of attitude. It feels like stabbing in the back, which makes me realize that the Taiwan regime can seek "external support" by any means.
Given that the Taiwanese claim that their government is a "democratically elected government", I can only believe that the provocative act of creating division represents the true will of the Taiwanese people.At least for so many years, I think only a few Taiwanese have made substantial efforts for reunification.

You seem very unwilling, but I don't want to guess your position on the reunification issue.
 
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I wouldn't take too much stock into claims of "democracy", a lot of movements or governments claim to be pro democracy or democratic, from DPRK to Russia to the foreign funded rebels in HK a few years ago, while in practice the actual system in use is something else.

Chinese ppl in Taiwan except ones that willingly choose to collude with rebels are blameless.

The big issue is that in the past, a diplomatic solution was preferred as this was shown generally to work best. Now, because of increased sabre rattling from Washington, the fears of US invasion under the pretense of "protection", China must sooner or later station defense outposts on Taiwan Island, as a deterrent against upsetting the peace in the Asia Pacific.

The most ideal way would be an armistice with ROC, allowing PLA troops to utilize uninhabited islands, airstrips, special basing areas etc. for the time being, while the ruling leadership of ROC will not be deposed and negotiations with their demands can continue. But if government forces are blocked and can't make the bases necessary to protect national security, then an armed response will happen, just like against the terror groups in Western China, but on a larger scale.
 
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Biscuits said:
The most ideal way would be an armistice with ROC, allowing PLA troops to utilize uninhabited islands, airstrips, special basing areas etc. for the time being, while the ruling leadership of ROC will not be deposed and negotiations with their demands can continue. But if government forces are blocked and can't make the bases necessary to protect national security, then an armed response will happen, just like against the terror groups in Western China, but on a larger scale.
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Indeed, this is also what I think is the most ideal way for Taiwan to keep their autonomy mostly intact while releasing the pressure on China to do armed reunification on Taiwan for geopolitical and security reasons, and possibly politically by showing to the domestic audience that there's still way for peaceful "reunification".
 
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Coalescence said:
Indeed, this is also what I think is the most ideal way for Taiwan to keep their autonomy mostly intact while releasing the pressure on China to do armed reunification on Taiwan for geopolitical and security reasons, and possibly politically by showing to the domestic audience that there's still way for peaceful "reunification".
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Biscuits said:
The most ideal way would be an armistice with ROC, allowing PLA troops to utilize uninhabited islands, airstrips, special basing areas etc. for the time being, while the ruling leadership of ROC will not be deposed and negotiations with their demands can continue. But if government forces are blocked and can't make the bases necessary to protect national security, then an armed response will happen, just like against the terror groups in Western China, but on a larger scale.
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Ideal situation, but completely divorced from reality.
This is what I shared earlier: it is a kind of "political correctness" to advocate that Taiwan's army is strong enough to resist PLA.
If we cannot recognize the fact that the Taiwan regime is completely dependent on the United States, it is meaningless to discuss these plans.

Opposition to PRC is the basis for the existence of Taiwan's regime,destroying Chinese Mainland is their highest pursuit at present,only in this way can the absolute safety of the Taiwan independence faction be guaranteed.
 
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5unrise said:
These are excellent works of art reflecting great talent on the part of the person making them. I have to say that they triggered strong but quite mixed emotions in me, and this shouldn't come as a surprise. Good artwork triggers strong emotions.
I grew up in Kaoshiong and my father served in the RoC Navy as a military doctor. On the way to school, I often saw the Kee-Lung class (Kidd class) destroyers parked in the naval base he worked at - the ones being destroyed in the second painting. They were inspiring, majestic vessels to a young boy. I was often reminded by adults how they carried the power of the Chinese Navy - I am not that old, but this was before the whole independence fad truly got off the ground. If they do get sent to the bottom in the process of a forceful unification, it would be a shame and a total waste. The deaths of people who serve on board - as depicted in the art - would be tragic and completely meaningless.
The storming of the presidential palace in the fourth piece simply feels like defeat, despite my opinion that those current residing in there are not good people. Human beings are inherently tribal and are attached to their place of birth, at least to some extent. That picture just says we are basically defeated and subjugated, placed at the mercy of a stronger power. I am fairly well-read in WW2, and the picture looks to me like the final assualt on the Reichstag, while the PLA forces are the Red Army. Is there no way to achieve unification without losing this level of dignity?
As for the last picture, I feel totally rejoiced. Justice is finally being served - they reap when they sow. They are lucky to be on an aircraft carrier, because the anrgy mobs that will wait for them at the wharf won't be as disciplined as the soldiers on board.

Anyway, thanks for reading my rant
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I dont think in case of a war breaking out all kidd class will be sunk. if they are docked they might not get a chance to join the fight. its a class from roughly the same era as the moskva so it won't be terribly effective.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
For anyone who knows about Taiwanese politicians, the 3rd illustration does carry certain message(s).
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I don't like the first and third pictures very much.Many actions of characters are too deliberate.
The first picture of the scene design is very failed, for the viewer is completely a daily military exercises.Searching for captives among the remains of the battlefield can be a separate theme,but in this painting, the author is full of what he wants.This led to a serious sense of incongruity in the scene of the whole painting.

The prisoners in the third picture should show a more frightened look, but several people's expressions were very stiff.

Imagination is a good thing, but the feeling is ”open champagne at half time".I still hope to see something more valuable for military research.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Putting political discussions aside, more by JeffHoly:
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For anyone who knows about Taiwanese politicians, the 3rd illustration does carry certain message(s).

Moreover, compare and contrast:
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The message is very heavy from this one.
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In the third picture, there is the guy who said he'll fight mainland to the end even all he's got is a broom stick. I remember after he said that, someone actually try to send him a broom stick from mainland, but the delivery was unsuccessful.
 
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ironborn said:
In the third picture, there is the guy who said he'll fight mainland to the end even all he's got is a broom stick. I remember after he said that, someone actually try to send him a broom stick from mainland, but the delivery was unsuccessful.
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Yes, that is correct - Mr Su the bald man (almost typo-ed as bold man, now that would be totally wrong)
 
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