PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

Biscuits

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Let me say a few more words.I think this video is not as valuable as the comic I shared.
The content of the military part is only for the first five minutes, and then for the next two-thirds of the time, you must endure the nonsense of this second-rate military science popularization program.Wearing a tactical vest and holding a rifle won't make him look very professional.
The host of the program is just propagandizing a kind of political correctness,what he said was just an excerpt of some cliches.
I don't expect such a network anchor who will produce a new program in a few days to spend a lot of time studying knowledges.

Many western researchers are still examining China roughly based on the experience of the Soviet Union.What's more, they decided that "the American army is the best" from the beginning.
I'm disappointed that even the program "the armchair historian", which I like very much, gives a very bad description of the Chinese revolution,no one is willing to seriously read China's official propaganda materials (even if it is deemed "untrustworthy", it is impossible to completely deviate from history).Considering that Americans once claimed that Americans liberated Auschwitz concentration camp, I can't imagine how much Chinese history will be "modified" by Western propaganda machines.

I don't understand why they are so contemptuous of "political education",at least Americans are not qualified to despise the discipline level of PLA.
In that era when soldiers could rob and escape at will, strict political education was necessary. At that time, Chinese officers were all wealthy property owners. They regarded poor workers as Dalits and soldiers as servants. Looting, massacre, corporal punishment and salary deduction were common.In this environment, the relationship between soldiers and officers is very tense, and no one is willing to devote their lives.Moreover, the military officers, including Chiang Kai Shek, used force many times to destroy the civilian government, making the army the most politically ambitious organization.
Political education is the most important measure for China to establish a modern army. This method has curbed the uncontrolled violent tendency of the army, improved the relationship between officers and soldiers, and shattered the crisis of military coup. In the most difficult period, this also ensured that the army did not waver out of control.
The most important thing is that the discipline of the army has been strengthened, and it has won the maximum trust and support of the people.And American soldiers show the arrogance of conquerors in any country.

Many people, including Taiwanese, have been repeating the lie that "PLA's command is very rigid".Mao Zedong is not Stalin,for a long time, the PLA was limited by poor communication capability, high casualty rate of officers and the power contrast between strong and weak, which placed great emphasis on the "initiative" of officers and soldiers, similar to the "Mission Command" of the German army.
Those claims that PLA was deeply influenced by the Soviet Union are nonsense. Those who say such words have never studied the development history of PLA at all.

In fact, cleaning up military corruption can be regarded as the final cleanup of the consequences of the reduction of military spending in the 1980s.I don't deny that this has a political purpose, but it's not a bad thing, and there is no mass execution of officers like the Soviets.As for other allegations, I just want to ask Americans why the STEED military cart is worth $100000 each.
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(this kind of electric cart is very common in China,the PLA is also using)
The U.S. military occupation and equipment research and development are the hardest hit areas of corruption, but it seems that it is no longer corrupt to make all this public.
In the middle of writing, I think all this is meaningless, because the Internet is full of baseless speculation about PLA.But I can't bear to delete so much content.So I had to finish it.

This video has nothing to do with our topic other than the title, all it does is blather on about the PLA. the Normandy landings are almost 80 years old and outdated, just like using Napoleonic tactics in WWI.
The American/NATO army is really plagued by similar issues brought to it by the people they inherited from the Reich.

They don't tolerate failure and therefore planning for failure is taboo.

They're too propagandized, thinking that they're inherently smarter, more capable of taking initiative, etc than a bunch of slavs/asians. Unlike the nazis, they won't admit it openly, but this type of thinking has wormed its way into the military because of the government's political control. Ironically, it makes themselves rigid, to the point where their armored formations could get encircled by infantry in wars like Korea.

Because of this, once things start going poorly, low level commands start covering up failures by vastly exaggerating gains and enemy losses, deceiving high level commands about the true situation on the ground.

Finally, but perhaps most damming, the government's denial of corruption, propaganda painting corruption as a phenomenon that cannot happen within the superior American spirit, they have surrendered unconditionally in the war on corruption. How can you battle something which you refuse to see?

These factors are why I believe the American threat is really much smaller than it looks like.

Remember how Americans despite what the official govt says about their patriotism, they didn't even want to be drafted to fight Vietnam, in a war that's way way less dangerous.

China merely needs a push that decisively shows superiority over the US forces, and US won't have a plan to deal with it aside from coping and blustering. Something like, sinking 2-3 aircraft carriers, shooting down most of the US GPS network and putting long range missiles on Taiwan East coast. When US soldiers realize they're not going on a safari to kill dirty communists from safety, that they're in fact the ones being shot at like fish in a barrel while their command requires them to rush into PLA kill zones, they'll crumble en masse. In fact, highly likely that once USA catches wind that the above is going to happen, they will preemptively save face by withdrawing from Asia before China even fires a single shot.

Of course, betting on a morale break would be negligence on the part of the PLA, so the buildup should still assume that USA will one day attack using full force, that USA military command is as competent as the PLA, that US soldiers are equally professional etc. But just given the absolute joke of corruption within the States, the constant issues they have with overly optimistic reports, it paints a very unflattering picture of how well they will do in modern war.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The American/NATO army is really plagued by similar issues brought to it by the people they inherited from the Reich.

They don't tolerate failure and therefore planning for failure is taboo.

They're too propagandized, thinking that they're inherently smarter, more capable of taking initiative, etc than a bunch of slavs/asians. Unlike the nazis, they won't admit it openly, but this type of thinking has wormed its way into the military because of the government's political control. Ironically, it makes themselves rigid, to the point where their armored formations could get encircled by infantry in wars like Korea.

Because of this, once things start going poorly, low level commands start covering up failures by vastly exaggerating gains and enemy losses, deceiving high level commands about the true situation on the ground.

Finally, but perhaps most damming, the government's denial of corruption, propaganda painting corruption as a phenomenon that cannot happen within the superior American spirit, they have surrendered unconditionally in the war on corruption. How can you battle something which you refuse to see?

These factors are why I believe the American threat is really much smaller than it looks like.

Remember how Americans despite what the official govt says about their patriotism, they didn't even want to be drafted to fight Vietnam, in a war that's way way less dangerous.

China merely needs a push that decisively shows superiority over the US forces, and US won't have a plan to deal with it aside from coping and blustering. Something like, sinking 2-3 aircraft carriers, shooting down most of the US GPS network and putting long range missiles on Taiwan East coast. When US soldiers realize they're not going on a safari to kill dirty communists from safety, that they're in fact the ones being shot at like fish in a barrel while their command requires them to rush into PLA kill zones, they'll crumble en masse. In fact, highly likely that once USA catches wind that the above is going to happen, they will preemptively save face by withdrawing from Asia before China even fires a single shot.

Of course, betting on a morale break would be negligence on the part of the PLA, so the buildup should still assume that USA will one day attack using full force, that USA military command is as competent as the PLA, that US soldiers are equally professional etc. But just given the absolute joke of corruption within the States, the constant issues they have with overly optimistic reports, it paints a very unflattering picture of how well they will do in modern war.
I agree, the more I looked into the US military, to more problems I actually see under its surface.

With that said, the correct course is still to practice and assume that the US can competently launch a first strike, along with fighting an actual war with China.
 

tch1972

Junior Member
I mean modern conscript armies aren't bad. Like Israel armed forces or South Korean military. Through China runs an all volunteer system since there's simply no way to fund conscription for the whole country, if China raised the budget enough to allow conscription, the PLA would likely become even stronger.

It's funny how westerners often project their own inadequacies. The PLA ain't the one pissing away billions in budget for minimal gains. US army has shown several times that once they get thrown in difficult situations and when they're drafting people, professionalism and morale takes a nose dive into abysmal levels. Just look at all the officer self killings in Vietnam.

It is the US military that has become too "political" or rather it has become too nationalist. How many events of PLA soldiers raping and murdering locals have happened? Or for that matter, Russian military forces despite being in a full scale industrial war? Because of the impossibility to draft due to popular resistance, US army is forced to take many questionable indivduals into their ranks. Because of the cult of nationalism, US cannot allow proper prosecution of unprofessional soldiers.

This cult of nationalism also forbids the mention of possible defeat, meaning that the military does not constantly seek innovation in order to overcome new enemies, because even asserting the possibility that enemies can successfully win or are ahead in capabilities will break the fragile hearts of many US officials, making the person who suggested reforms into a pariah. Of course, occasionally a reform will still work, but the US ain't getting anywhere near the bang for their buck relative to their spending due to this internal rot.

Mao was not speaking from his ass when he said the US was a paper tiger. He had a very good understanding of every major country and how they worked internally. For the same reasons, he also predicted the collapse the Soviets.

Even so, the US military is obviously still very large, so it will take a military buildup and clever use of new tech in order to deal that one heavy blow needed to make the rotten shack collapse.

Conscription don't work in most cases. You might get the numbers but those are likely reluctant conscripts who thinks it a waste of their life.

Having said that professionals army does not necessary means they are better for people who joins might only be treating it as a form of livelihood. Risking their lives are the last thing on their minds. Or in the case of USA, people joins the millitary to qualify for green card or free tertiary education.

I think the critical success factor here is to get idealogically motivated volunteers to join. Hence i am against the idea of nationalising PLA from CPC.
 

Sardaukar20

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Why do you need to pollute a good thread with filth like him? He's beneath a jester.

YouTube "analysis" should really be banned from the forum, at least from these serious threads.
LOL! I know that that Task & Purpose YT channel is a joke.

But one thing that idiot 'soldier' Chris Cappy got absolutely right in his video is his map of China. He was trying to compare the size of China to the USA. He was very kind to include Taipei & Taiwan into China. For a supposedly pro-American jerk like him, he was kind enough to even highlight Lhasa and Taipei as firmly inside China. Is he a Chinese subliminal-messaging agent or just a clown? Don't know, but thanks for that bro!

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Sometimes I do question who is he really trolling. China or the Free World? Maybe he is actually saying: "Naah just leave China and Taiwan alone. China sucks at warfare. So whatever happens, forget about WWIII. The USA should just leave them be". ;)
 

5unrise

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LOL! I know that that Task & Purpose YT channel is a joke.

But one thing that idiot 'soldier' Chris Cappy got absolutely right in his video is his map of China. He was trying to compare the size of China to the USA. He was very kind to include Taipei & Taiwan into China. For a supposedly pro-American jerk like him, he was kind enough to even highlight Lhasa and Taipei as firmly inside China. Is he a Chinese subliminal-messaging agent or just a clown? Don't know, but thanks for that bro!

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Sometimes I do question who is he really trolling. China or the Free World? Maybe he is actually saying: "Naah just leave China and Taiwan alone. China sucks at warfare. So whatever happens, forget about WWIII. The USA should just leave them be". ;)
Honestly, my guess is that it was 11pm at night and he just wants to get his video uploaded, so he puts in the first map of China he can find...
 

Sardaukar20

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Honestly, my guess is that it was 11pm at night and he just wants to get his video uploaded, so he puts in the first map of China he can find...
I agree with your assessment that Chris Cappy is still actually a clown. I was just joking about that idiot. Nevertheless, his end message was to chill out and not worry about a China-Taiwan conflict, because "it'll never happen".

If nothing happens, then China can Taiwan can reunite peacefully in time. If something does happen, then everyone in the Free World would be wholly unprepared for China's true military might thanks to excessive underestimation. That would allow the PLA to surprise everyone in the Free World and finish off the Taiwanese military much faster.
 

5unrise

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These are excellent works of art reflecting great talent on the part of the person making them. I have to say that they triggered strong but quite mixed emotions in me, and this shouldn't come as a surprise. Good artwork triggers strong emotions.
I grew up in Kaoshiong and my father served in the RoC Navy as a military doctor. On the way to school, I often saw the Kee-Lung class (Kidd class) destroyers parked in the naval base he worked at - the ones being destroyed in the second painting. They were inspiring, majestic vessels to a young boy. I was often reminded by adults how they carried the power of the Chinese Navy - I am not that old, but this was before the whole independence fad truly got off the ground. If they do get sent to the bottom in the process of a forceful unification, it would be a shame and a total waste. The deaths of people who serve on board - as depicted in the art - would be tragic and completely meaningless.
The storming of the presidential palace in the fourth piece simply feels like defeat, despite my opinion that those current residing in there are not good people. Human beings are inherently tribal and are attached to their place of birth, at least to some extent. That picture just says we are basically defeated and subjugated, placed at the mercy of a stronger power. I am fairly well-read in WW2, and the picture looks to me like the final assualt on the Reichstag, while the PLA forces are the Red Army. Is there no way to achieve unification without losing this level of dignity?
As for the last picture, I feel totally rejoiced. Justice is finally being served - they reap when they sow. They are lucky to be on an aircraft carrier, because the anrgy mobs that will wait for them at the wharf won't be as disciplined as the soldiers on board.

Anyway, thanks for reading my rant
 
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