PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

ACuriousPLAFan

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At this slow pace, I think the risk of secret disclosure is very high.The local people are often quite sensitive to the movements of the army,small vendors dealing with the army may know more about the possibility of military action than Taiwanese spies.
Surprise is always the most important military principle.
(Chinese follows English) (中文在英文后)

Because I am neither a military strategist nor a war planner, so my ideas would have been pretty generalized and more geared towards strategical considerations than tactical considerations.

Yes, you are correct. Surprise is a very important factor for bringing success for the attacking side in any war. But is surprise the only way for winning the war? Not exactly.

Roll the clock back to the first half of 1944 in Europe, when N4z1 Germany is firmly on the defensive, while the Allied Forces are in the offensive. Refer to the map below.
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On the Western Front (i.e. France and the Low Countries), the German High Command already knew that the US and Commonwealth Forces would some day land on the beaches of France or the Low Countries, conduct ground warfare and push the Wehrmacht back from the Atlantic coastlines.

On the Eastern Front (i.e. Soviet Union), the Red Army is firmly pushing the Wehrmacht out of Soviet territories, and are heading towards the Balkans and the Romanian oil fields towards the southeast, while also pushing towards Poland and Germany itself towards the west. And similarly, the German High Command knew that those would be the target of advance by the Red Army next.

In short, what does the Allied Forces on these two fronts have in common? No element of surprise - At least, not in a strategic sense. Because N4z1 Germany knew very well around when and where that the Allied Forces would military advance operations against N4z1 Germany in the future.

So what does the Allied Forces on both fronts did? Deception.

Instead of trying to pursuade the German High Command that the Allied forces would not conduct any military operations against them, they go with fooling and baiting the German High Command into perceiving what the Germans themselves believe are the real timings, forces involved and direction of advance against the Wehrmacht - all of which are just a distraction or fakes.

For the US and Commonwealth forces, they successfully baited the Wehrmacht forces defending the Atlantic Wall into thinking that they would be storming Calais (which has sizeable port facilities) instead of Normandy (which has nothing but beaches), thanks to Operation Fortitude. Therefore, the Wehrmacht was duped into defending Calais from the expected Allied landings there, instead of Normandy where the Allied forces had easier time to gain a foothold on mainland Europe before marching towards inland.

For the Soviet forces, they employed Maskirovka to fool the German High Command into thinking that the Red Army is focused on advancing towards the Balkans and the Romanian oil fields, instead of towards Poland and N4z1 Germany itself. For instance, the Red Army drove their tanks away from the front in Belarus in direct sight of the German forces there during the day, only to drive them back to their original staging point at night. In the end, the German High Command deployed their strongest units to the Balkans, leaving their front in Belarus wide open for the Red Army to smash through with relative ease.

Coming back to Taiwan - With how advanced spying and reconnaisance satellites are today, it is virtually impossible to hide gathering military forces. You can be assured that the US are on a 24/7 lookout along China's eastern and southeastern coastlines for any potential massive PLA troop and equipment gatherings. Therefore, it is pretty hard to hide from the satellites up above, let alone from the citizens on the ground with their smartphones and VPN.

Don't believe me? Just look at how the US having already sounded alarm of Russian troops and equipment gathering spots around Ukraine since April 2021 - 10 months before the start of Russia's "special military operation" against Ukraine in February 2021.

So what should the PLA do? This is related to your comment towards the end of your response as following:
My idea is contrary to yours. I think it is better to adopt fatigue tactics.Through continuous large-scale exercises to confuse the Taiwan army and the United States.
Put them in the mental torture of high alert,from a physiological point of view, no one can maintain a long-term state of vigilance.When they see this as another bluff, the surprise attack will be fatal.
Although I wouldn't classify the effects as "a total surprise", but your idea is actually viable. In short, the PLA should constantly conduct military exercises of a considerable scale at those regions before simply dispersing, just so that the US and Taiwan would be send into an fury of alert everytime the military exercise is conducted.

There is no use for China to deny that they wouldn't launch military operations to reunify Taiwan at anytime she desires, so might as well go with proper deception strategies and tactics.

Caution fatigue would then overwhelm the US and Taiwan after being taken along for the "fear ride" for so many times, that their alert capabilities would be diminished.

However, extra care must be taken when conducting such military exercises by the PLA in order to not ramp up the cross-strait tension too much into akin something like the Soviet's response to the Able Archer 1983 military exercise by NATO.

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因为我既不是军事战略家,也不是战争策划者,所以我的想法会很笼统,更倾向于战略考虑而不是战术考虑。

没错。在任何战争中,对于进攻方来说,惊喜对于带来战场上得成功是一个非常重要的因素。但是,惊喜算是赢得战争的唯一途径吗?非也。

让时间倒流到1944年上半年的欧洲,当时纳粹德国坚定地处于守势,而盟军则处于攻势。请看下面的地图。
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在西线(即法国和低地国家),德军最高统帅部已经知道,美国和英联邦部队总有一天会在法国或低地国家的海滩上登陆,进行地面战争,把德军从大西洋海岸线上逼退。

在东线(即苏联),红军正坚定地将德军赶出苏联领土,并朝着巴尔干半岛和罗马尼亚油田的西南方向前进,同时也朝着波兰和德国本土的西部方向推进。而同样的,德军最高统帅部也知道,这些都将是红军下一步的进军目标。

简而言之,这两条战线上的盟军有什么共同点?没有惊喜的因素 - 至少可以说,在战略意义上没有惊喜。因为纳粹德国非常清楚地知道,盟军在未来何时何地会对纳粹德国进行军事推进行动。

那么,盟军在两条战线上都做了什么?欺骗。

他们并不试图劝说德军最高统帅部,说什么,盟军不会对他们进行任何军事行动等类型的话;相反的,而是去愚弄和诱导德军最高统帅部,让德军自认为都是对的时间、参与力量和推进方向 - 所有这些都实际上只是分散注意力或者假象。

对美国和英联邦部队来说,他们成功地诱使防守大西洋墙的德军认为他们将攻打加莱(那里有相当规模的港口设施),而不是诺曼底(那里除了海滩什么都没有),这要归功于 "毅力行动"。因此,德国国防军被骗去防守加莱,以应对盟军在那里的预期登陆,而不是诺曼底。这导致盟军在那里能更轻易地在欧洲大陆站稳脚跟,然后向内陆进军。

对于苏军来说,他们利用马斯基罗夫卡(Maskirovka)手段来欺骗德军最高统帅部,使其认为红军的重点是向巴尔干和罗马尼亚油田推进,而不是向波兰和德国土身推进。例如,白天时候红军在白俄罗斯里在前线德军的直接视线中把他们的坦克从前线撤走,而在晚上时候把他们撤回他们原来的集结点。最后,德军最高统帅部把他们在东线最强大的部队部署到巴尔干地区,把他们在白俄罗斯的战线敞开,最后让红军相对轻松地砸开。

回到台湾 - 由于今天的间谍和侦察卫星是如此先进,要隐藏聚集的部队和装备是几乎不可能。不用猜也知道,美国军事间谍和侦察卫星正沿着中国东部和东南部海岸线上空24小时监视任何潜在的大规模解放军部队和装备的聚集。因此,很难瞒过上面的卫星,更不用说瞒过地面上拥有智能手机和VPN的民众。

要实际例子的话,就看看美国是如何从2021年4月起就对乌克兰周围的俄罗斯军队和设备聚集点发出警报的 - 那是在2021年2月俄罗斯对乌克兰的 "特别军事行动 "开始前10个月。

那么解放军应该怎么做?这与您在回复最后的评论有关。

虽然我不会把这种效果归为 "全面的惊喜",但你的想法其实是可行的。简而言之,解放军应该时时刻刻在当地进行相当规模的军事演习,然后再解散,就是为了让美国和台湾在每次进行军事演习时都会陷入警惕。

中国否认不会在任何时候发动军事行动来统一台湾是没有用的,所以不妨采用适当的欺骗战略和战术。

美国和台湾在多次被带入 "恐惧之旅 "后,谨慎的疲劳感会压倒他们,他们的警戒能力会逐渐地被削弱。

然而,在解放军进行这种军事演习时,必须格外小心,以免两岸关系变得过度紧张,变成类似于苏联对北约1983年 "射手 "军事演习的反应。
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Although Russia's "solving Ukraine in one hour and 22 minutes" has become a joke, we should not underestimate the strike efficiency of modern war.Three days is enough time for Americans to react.The essence of a raid is “surprise”,the Taiwan army may take action according to the prepared plan within these three days,they may also partially resume command with the help of the United States.

The risk of external intervention is always a factor that must be considered,without external intervention, we could spend months slowly torturing them.
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It is true that the strike efficiency of modern weaponry in today's warfare is greater than anything else in the history of humanity, however, there is always a limit to everything. For the size, manpower, resources, budget and willpower of China, such qualities certainly gives China a definitive edge over Taiwan. But China ain't the Galactic Empire the world today. At least, not yet.

That is, unless you want the PLA to just nuke the hell out of Taiwan and the move in to occupy a flattened and charred landscape, then the PLA's job would be much, much more easier.

I think I have said this before somewhere in this forum, but it is unwise to underestimate your opponent.

In my opinion, there must be proper steps that must be done in order for the next step to be accomplished properly. This is especially when we are talking about sending young Chinese men to fight and die on the battlefields of Taiwan, Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific.

Would you rather send your men towards the enemy-held territories when your enemy is still capable of dishing out serious damages against your side, or would you send your men towards the enemy-held territories when your enemy has been sufficiently weakened and the risks of your men getting injured or killed has been considerably lowered?

We know that war is a messy business, where casualties and fatalities are unavoidable once bullets, bombs and missiles start flying.

However, there is a clear distinction of sending your men to fight and die on the battlefields, and sending your men to fight and die on the battlefields carelessly, needlessly, and wastefully.

Hence, that's why I advocate that PLAGF troops and equipment to board the PLAN amphibious assault warships at their respective staging areas along the Fujian coastline only after the war has begun for a few days. Why? Despite the massive arsenal of weaponry that the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAN could employ against the ROC military on Taiwan, can you provide an absolute guarantee that all the military command centers, radar stations, communication facilities, anti-air and anti-sea defenses, warehouses, oil depots, bases and airfields on Taiwan can be neutralized within one or few hours after the start of the reunification war?

Can you provide that guarantee for us, or even the PLA?

That is why those first few days gap are for - To bait all of those hidden and entrenched positions, equipment and infratructures on Taiwan that may have be missed out from China's own military spying and reconnaissanse satellites before the war to expose themselves. Only then, the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAGF could effectively target them and wipe them out in the round-clock, non-stop, intense, and accurate missile, aerial and naval-based bombardment that I have mentioned in my previous response. This is even more crucial when we are talking about Taiwanese land, air and sea-based anti-ship missiles, as they are the number one threat against PLAN warships and amphibious assault ships carrying PLAGF troops for retaking Taiwan.

Those first few days of the war are very, very important in securing the safety for the PLAGF troops and equipment to be transported and land on Taiwan's beaches. Losing any of them from Taiwan's anti-shipping missiles would have significant impact on the war's outcome.

Speed is essential, but don't mindlessly rush, such that you got youself badly hurt in the end because you aren't careful.

Do remember that even with the technological and numerical advantages on the side of the US-led Coalition force, Iraq is still widely considered as the 4th most powerful military in the world at the start of Operation Desert Storm. Therefore, it is very understandable that the Coalition forces having worked hard towards making sure that they lose as few of their own men against Iraqi forces as possible through aerial and naval-based bombardments of Iraq before they would even send their ground forces in.

Regarding a potential direct intervention by the US, China also have nukes of her own. And there's something that is called brinkmanship.

Why is the US and the US-led NATO only sending weapons and money to Ukraine, and not setting up No-Fly Zones over Ukraine, or even putting their own boots on the ground in Ukraine against Russia even today, almost 4 months into the war?

Simple. Because Russia has nukes. And Russia has repeatedly stated that they would not hesitate to use their nukes against the US and the US-led NATO, should Washington D.C. and Brussels want to directly intervene in the war in Ukraine against Russia.

China have a sizeable nuclear arsenal of her own that are prime and ready for action too. Use them to leverage against any possible direct intervention by the US on the Taiwan reunification issue would be a viable option. Furthermore with Russia being a close buddy to China too can act as a leverage against the US.

In fact, as long as no US home territory has been directly attacked by the PLA, there exists no reason for riling up the sentiments among the US populace to call for a direct military confrontation against China.

And I believe the Chinese government understands this very well.

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在今天的战争中,现代武器的打击效率确实比人类历史上的任何东西都要高,然而,什么东西都好,都会有一个限度。就中国的规模、人力、资源、预算和意志力而言,这样的素质无疑让中国对于台湾问题上有绝对的优势。但中国并不是当今世界的银河帝国。至少,现在还不是。

也就是说,除非你想让解放军直接用核弹炸掉台湾,然后进驻占领一个被炸平和烧焦的地方,那么解放军的工作变得容易得多很多。

我认为我曾经在这个论坛的某个地方说过,但其实低估对手是不明智的。

在我看来,要统一台湾,必须要有适当的步骤,才能正确完成下一步。更何况,我们正在谈论关于派出年轻的中国男孩们儿上台湾、台湾海峡和西太平洋的战场打仗和战死。

你愿意在敌人仍有能力对你的一方造成严重伤害的时候把你的军人派往敌占区;还是在敌人已经被充分削弱,你的人受伤或死亡的风险已经大大降低的时候才把你的军人派往敌占区?

我们都知道,战争是一个混乱的行业,一旦子弹、炸弹和导弹开始飞,伤亡是不可避免的。

然而,派你的军人在战场上打仗和战死;与派你的军人不小心地、不必要地、浪费地让他们在战场上打仗和战死 - 这两者是有明显区别的。

这就是为什么我认为解放军陆军的部队和装备必须在战争开始几天后才在福建海岸线各自的集结地登上解放军海军的两栖攻击战舰。为什么呢?尽管解放军火箭军、解放军空军和解放军海军可以对台湾军方使用大量的武器装备,但是,你可以提供一个绝对的保证,在统一战争开始后的一个或几个小时内,把台湾岛上所有得军事指挥中心、雷达站、通讯设施、防空防海、仓库、油库、基地和机场都被消灭吗?

你能为我们,甚至为解放军提供这种保证吗?

这就是最初几天的空隙得需要原因 - 诱使台湾岛上在战前可能被中国军事间谍和侦察卫星所忽略的所有在隐蔽、根深蒂固的阵地、设备和基础设施暴露自己。只有这样,解放军火箭军、解放军空军和解放军海军才能有效地消灭他们。这就等于我在之前的回答中提到的全天候、不间断、密集和准确的导弹、空中和海上轰炸行动中把他们消灭。当我们谈论台湾军方目前所操作的陆基、空基和海基反舰导弹时,这一点更加重要,因为它们是对解放军海军军舰和搭载解放军陆军部队和装备在登陆台湾作战的首要威胁。

战争的头几天对于确保解放军陆军部队和装备能够安全地被运送到台湾登陆滩头是至关重要的。就因为台湾的反舰导弹而失去任何一个都会对战争的结果造成重大的影响。

速度是必要的,但也不要无意识地冲动,这样你就会因为不小心而使自己受到严重伤害。

即使以美国为首的联军有技术和数量上的优势,在沙漠风暴行动开始时,伊拉克仍被广泛认为是世界上第四大最强大的军队。因此,非常可以理解的是,联军在派出地面部队之前,通过对伊拉克的空中和海上轰炸,努力确保他们尽可能减少己方的损失。

关于美国在台湾问题上直接干预的可能性,要知道,中国也有自己的核武器。而且,有一种东西被称为边缘政策(brinkmanship)。

俄乌战争至今已经差不多快4个月了,为什么美国和以美为首的北约只能向乌克兰提供武器和资金,而不在乌克兰上空设立禁飞区,甚至在乌克兰领土上对付俄罗斯而直接参战?

原因很简单。因为俄罗斯有核武器。而俄罗斯也曾多次表示,如果华盛顿和布鲁塞尔想要直接干预俄乌战争,俄罗斯会毫不犹豫使用他们的核武器来对付美国和北约。

中国自己也有一个相当的核武库,并且已经随时准备候命。用它们来对付美国在台湾统一问题上的任何可能的直接干涉算是一个可行的方案。更何况俄罗斯是中国的亲密伙伴,也可以作为反对美国的筹码。

事实上,只要美国本土没有受到解放军的直接攻击,就没有理由激起美国民众的情绪来呼吁美国政府对中国采取直接的军事对抗。

我相信中国政府也非常明白这一点。
 
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zhangjim

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It is true that the strike efficiency of modern weaponry in today's warfare is greater than anything else in the history of humanity, however, there is always a limit to everything. For the size, manpower, resources, budget and willpower of China, such qualities certainly gives China a definitive edge over Taiwan. But China ain't the Galactic Empire the world today. At least, not yet.

That is, unless you want the PLA to just nuke the hell out of Taiwan and the move in to occupy a flattened and charred landscape, then the PLA's job would be much, much more easier.

I think I have said this before somewhere in this forum, but it is unwise to underestimate your opponent.

In my opinion, there must be proper steps that must be done in order for the next step to be accomplished properly. This is especially when we are talking about sending young Chinese men to fight and die on the battlefields of Taiwan, Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific.

Would you rather send your men towards the enemy-held territories when your enemy is still capable of dishing out serious damages against your side, or would you send your men towards the enemy-held territories when your enemy has been sufficiently weakened and the risks of your men getting injured or killed has been considerably lowered?

We know that war is a messy business, where casualties and fatalities are unavoidable once bullets, bombs and missiles start flying.

However, there is a clear distinction of sending your men to fight and die on the battlefields, and sending your men to fight and die on the battlefields carelessly, needlessly, and wastefully.

Hence, that's why I advocate that PLAGF troops and equipment to board the PLAN amphibious assault warships at their respective staging areas along the Fujian coastline only after the war has begun for a few days. Why? Despite the massive arsenal of weaponry that the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAN could employ against the ROC military on Taiwan, can you provide an absolute guarantee that all the military command centers, radar stations, communication facilities, anti-air and anti-sea defenses, warehouses, oil depots, bases and airfields on Taiwan can be neutralized within one or few hours after the start of the reunification war?

Can you provide that guarantee for us, or even the PLA?

That is why those first few days gap are for - To bait all of those hidden and entrenched positions, equipment and infratructures on Taiwan that may have be missed out from China's own military spying and reconnaissanse satellites before the war to expose themselves. Only then, the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAGF could effectively target them and wipe them out in the round-clock, non-stop, intense, and accurate missile, aerial and naval-based bombardment that I have mentioned in my previous response. This is even more crucial when we are talking about Taiwanese land, air and sea-based anti-ship missiles, as they are the number one threat against PLAN warships and amphibious assault ships carrying PLAGF troops for retaking Taiwan.

Those first few days of the war are very, very important in securing the safety for the PLAGF troops and equipment to be transported and land on Taiwan's beaches. Losing any of them from Taiwan's anti-shipping missiles would have significant impact on the war's outcome.

Speed is essential, but don't mindlessly rush, such that you got youself badly hurt in the end because you aren't careful.

Do remember that even with the technological and numerical advantages on the side of the US-led Coalition force, Iraq is still widely considered as the 4th most powerful military in the world at the start of Operation Desert Storm. Therefore, it is very understandable that the Coalition forces having worked hard towards making sure that they lose as few of their own men against Iraqi forces as possible through aerial and naval-based bombardments of Iraq before they would even send their ground forces in.

Regarding a potential direct intervention by the US, China also have nukes of her own. And there's something that is called brinkmanship.

Why is the US and the US-led NATO only sending weapons and money to Ukraine, and not setting up No-Fly Zones over Ukraine, or even putting their own boots on the ground in Ukraine against Russia even today, almost 4 months into the war?

Simple. Because Russia has nukes. And Russia has repeatedly stated that they would not hesitate to use their nukes against the US and the US-led NATO, should Washington D.C. and Brussels want to directly intervene in the war in Ukraine against Russia.

China have a sizeable nuclear arsenal of her own that are prime and ready for action too. Use them to leverage against any possible direct intervention by the US on the Taiwan reunification issue would be a viable option. Furthermore with Russia being a close buddy to China too can act as a leverage against the US.

In fact, as long as no US home territory has been directly attacked by the PLA, there exists no reason for riling up the sentiments among the US populace to call for a direct military confrontation against China.

And I believe the Chinese government understands this very well.
If what Xi Yazhou claims is true, many problems are not problems at all.
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Most of Taiwan's military's judgments about PLA come from outdated understanding.The PLA was short of funds in the past, and the army in the South was seriously understaffed.So it takes time to strengthen training and recall reservists to supplement the troops.At the same time, a large number of civilian ships need to be collected in advance.
But now, the PLA's troops in the direction of Taiwan are in a state of war readiness.Civil transport ships are also in a quasi mobilization state.
This means that the collection speed of PLA will be very fast,according to Xi Yazhou, it only takes a few hours from the camp to the port.

As for military exercises, they are held every year. But military exercises with strong political implications like 1996 do not often occur.
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The choice of the right time to land will ultimately depend on the actual capabilities of the PLA,too long delay means that the action link is actually interrupted,if the army, navy and air force can cooperate well,it is feasible to shorten the time appropriately.
All kinds of unknowns caused by time delay are the most difficult to prevent,the experience of Ukraine shows that the United States will not easily send troops to intervene in the war,but that doesn't mean they won't help.Elon Musk was actually involved in the Ukrainian war,provide his "civil satellite" to Ukraine for use.These indirect interventions will also cause military losses,there is no point in avoiding risks wishfully.
What determines the direction of the battlefield sometimes does not appear on the battlefield,the reason for pursuing speed is to avoid unforeseen risks,it is dangerous to place hope on the absolute rationality of the American leadership, which will soon become a vassal of the vote.
 

HumanHDMI

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Explain it before I go to bed. This approach is based on a ridiculous logic: since we found that the PLA is gathering at the port, we can judge that this is a precursor to an attack, so we are actually fighting back.

Generally speaking, Taiwan has a tendency to underestimate the will of the people on the mainland for reunification. Many propaganda tools are advocating the use of missiles to attack cities and the Three Gorges Dam to create panic,I really can't think of any significance.

However, DPP asked people to write some propaganda books, trying to convince people that they have the ability to counterattack against bases and ports in Chinese Mainland at the beginning of the war.

If you are interested, I can share this book with everyone.
Yeah could you share the book. I can read chinese if that is an issue
 

zhangjim

Junior Member
Registered Member
Yeah could you share the book. I can read chinese if that is an issue
Well, I can share this book.But let me remind you in advance that this is a book with strong political propaganda significance, which contains a lot of colloquial content.
I don't think this book is of high military value, but it is very suitable for military fans to play the "Spot the Difference".So I will not describe the specific content of the book in the forum,but I hope everyone will have fun in this book.

It seems that it is difficult to upload files directly. I will provide the cover of this book first:
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ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
Registered Member
Well, when I remember that I have Google drive, my reply can't be modified.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

If everyone can't download, please remind me in time.

Let's take this opportunity to learn about the level of Taiwan's military enthusiasts.
Just had some read of this author's random blabberings while trying to make it look "professional" with some numbers and figures here and there.

Seriously, this author is either a propagandist trying to comfort the masses, or he's trying to comfort himself. I guess both at the same time.

For instance, did he seriously believe that the PLA would just send men to Taiwan using 50 thousand fishing boats??? If so, I have a planet to sell to him.

On the flip side, man, I truly hope that the Taiwanese leadership would listen to this guy for their defense and security matters. That way, the PLA can just laugh all the way to Taipei.
 
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