PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

ACuriousPLAFan

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As for the attack on military targets, I think it is not easy, although there is a view in Taiwan that the Taiwan Air Force should take the initiative to launch a "preventive attack" on the PLA when it is found that the PLA is assembling troops in the port.
Good.
That actually gives Beijing an absolutely perfect justification to attack Taiwan directly, since it was the Taiwanese side who pre-emptively conducts military attacks against mainland China first.

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Moreover, sending PLAGF troops across the Taiwan Strait to land directly on Taiwan's beaches on DAY ONE of the war is an absolutely stupid move, and I think even the lowest ranks in the PLA command structure understands this fact very well.

I would elaborate further sometime later if I have time.
 
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zhangjim

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Good.
That actually gives Beijing an absolutely perfect justification to attack Taiwan directly, since it was the Taiwanese side who pre-emptively conducts military attacks against mainland China first.

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Moreover, sending PLAGF troops across the Taiwan Strait to land directly on Taiwan's beaches on DAY ONE of the war is an absolutely stupid move, and I think even the lowest ranks in the PLA command structure understands this fact very well.

I would elaborate further sometime later if I have time.
Explain it before I go to bed. This approach is based on a ridiculous logic: since we found that the PLA is gathering at the port, we can judge that this is a precursor to an attack, so we are actually fighting back.

Generally speaking, Taiwan has a tendency to underestimate the will of the people on the mainland for reunification. Many propaganda tools are advocating the use of missiles to attack cities and the Three Gorges Dam to create panic,I really can't think of any significance.

However, DPP asked people to write some propaganda books, trying to convince people that they have the ability to counterattack against bases and ports in Chinese Mainland at the beginning of the war.

If you are interested, I can share this book with everyone.
 

Overbom

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This approach is based on a ridiculous logic: since we found that the PLA is gathering at the port, we can judge that this is a precursor to an attack, so we are actually fighting back.
Lol. Who says that the PLA would be gathering for an attack? You?
Maybe the PLA is gathering for large scale military exercise.

A preemptive attack by Taiwan on China would be the funniest thing ever and probably the biggest present a CPC General Secretary has ever received from Wanwan.
 

Biscuits

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Explain it before I go to bed. This approach is based on a ridiculous logic: since we found that the PLA is gathering at the port, we can judge that this is a precursor to an attack, so we are actually fighting back.

Generally speaking, Taiwan has a tendency to underestimate the will of the people on the mainland for reunification. Many propaganda tools are advocating the use of missiles to attack cities and the Three Gorges Dam to create panic,I really can't think of any significance.

However, DPP asked people to write some propaganda books, trying to convince people that they have the ability to counterattack against bases and ports in Chinese Mainland at the beginning of the war.

If you are interested, I can share this book with everyone.
Ah yes the true big brain of trying to attack civilians against a country which could cover every populated square meter of your cities with bombs. Totally wouldn't backfire immensely at all.

Tbh I don't think the ROC leadership has the will to initiate any terror attacks even if the mainland decides to root them out by force first. If they keep the fighting clean, the central government will likely pardon almost everyone to keep stability high.

But if they launch a saturation attack on a city and a few explosives slip through to cause a 9/11 level disaster, you can be assured that 10 000s of ROC leaders will get the wall, even tangentially related ones. Same applies to using Chinese citizens on Taiwan as human shields to hide ROC troops behind. They will not be looked on kindly when time comes to hold trials.
 

zhangjim

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Ah yes the true big brain of trying to attack civilians against a country which could cover every populated square meter of your cities with bombs. Totally wouldn't backfire immensely at all.

Tbh I don't think the ROC leadership has the will to initiate any terror attacks even if the mainland decides to root them out by force first. If they keep the fighting clean, the central government will likely pardon almost everyone to keep stability high.

But if they launch a saturation attack on a city and a few explosives slip through to cause a 9/11 level disaster, you can be assured that 10 000s of ROC leaders will get the wall, even tangentially related ones. Same applies to using Chinese citizens on Taiwan as human shields to hide ROC troops behind. They will not be looked on kindly when time comes to hold trials.
Looking back on the past 20 years, DPP has been carrying out such meaningless intimidation, and they seem not to realize that this is a war crime.
What's even more tragic is that they actually have been studying offensive weapons.

I saw an old news in 2004, which mentioned that Taiwan discussed adopting an aggressive strategy,and the vicious idea of attacking the Three Gorges Dam in my memory is exactly the suggestion put forward by the American Consultant.
Considering that the US military tried to bomb the Syrian dam, but failed because of the bomb breakdown, we should not underestimate the possibility that the US has no bottom line.

Back to the point.This strategy was designed from the time when Lee Teng Hui was in power,we all know that the military forces of Chinese Mainland at that time could not support offensive operations at all.
It is obvious that Lee Teng Hui has been deeply influenced by the Japanese:"They hope to raid the opponent's coastal military bases and important coastal cities when the opponent encounters major natural disasters or other major difficulties, so that the opponent will be temporarily paralyzed and confused."(selected from 2008 feature articles)
The Japanese style of pre emptive adventurism is very strong.The purpose of this strategy is not to resist attacks, but to maximize the losses of the opponent and give up the idea of military action politically. But as I said, these opportunists simply do not understand the determination of the Chinese Mainland.

This military strategy has been constantly revised, but we can still see some signs of active attack.The Taiwan army is currently continuing to develop tactical missiles and plans to invest in the construction of missile factories.The DPP was obsessed with this weapon during its administration.

This year's war in Ukraine has changed many people's views,however, until 2021, DPP still announced that it planned to produce "source attack" weapons.The positioning of these weapons is more like the V1 and V2 missiles during World War II, which is the "retaliation weapon" of the new era.
 

Biscuits

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Looking back on the past 20 years, DPP has been carrying out such meaningless intimidation, and they seem not to realize that this is a war crime.
What's even more tragic is that they actually have been studying offensive weapons.

I saw an old news in 2004, which mentioned that Taiwan discussed adopting an aggressive strategy,and the vicious idea of attacking the Three Gorges Dam in my memory is exactly the suggestion put forward by the American Consultant.
Considering that the US military tried to bomb the Syrian dam, but failed because of the bomb breakdown, we should not underestimate the possibility that the US has no bottom line.

Back to the point.This strategy was designed from the time when Lee Teng Hui was in power,we all know that the military forces of Chinese Mainland at that time could not support offensive operations at all.
It is obvious that Lee Teng Hui has been deeply influenced by the Japanese:"They hope to raid the opponent's coastal military bases and important coastal cities when the opponent encounters major natural disasters or other major difficulties, so that the opponent will be temporarily paralyzed and confused."(selected from 2008 feature articles)
The Japanese style of pre emptive adventurism is very strong.The purpose of this strategy is not to resist attacks, but to maximize the losses of the opponent and give up the idea of military action politically. But as I said, these opportunists simply do not understand the determination of the Chinese Mainland.

This military strategy has been constantly revised, but we can still see some signs of active attack.The Taiwan army is currently continuing to develop tactical missiles and plans to invest in the construction of missile factories.The DPP was obsessed with this weapon during its administration.

This year's war in Ukraine has changed many people's views,however, until 2021, DPP still announced that it planned to produce "source attack" weapons.The positioning of these weapons is more like the V1 and V2 missiles during World War II, which is the "retaliation weapon" of the new era.
It is about as possible to attack the three gorges dam as it is to destroy the USA by attacking yellowstone.

The construction of the dam and its natural terrain makes it into a "concrete mountain", that is not an exaggeration, its mass is similar to a mountain. So in order to do damage, you must be able to vaporize large parts of a mountain.

In any explosion, almost all damage comes from shockwave which would just skip off a mountain. The main phenomenon that can destroy chunks of mountains is a teraton level volcanic eruption, I.e. At least 10x more powerful than the largest man made explosive.

That said, it is not impossible for man made explosives to destroy the three gorges dam, because you can stack nuclear weapons, high dozens or a hundred thermonuclear explosions might be able to vaporize enough concrete to remove the barrier, if the nukes have good CEP and all hit the relatively small target.

But this is irrelevant for the rebel army because they cannot even acquire 1 nuke and have no feasible way to reach that far into the mainland. The closest they can get is maybe infiltrating the area with agents during peace time and setting off a pipe bomb as a symbolic gesture.

If we're going down that route, the greater threat is Taiwan acquiring dirty bombs and using undercover terrorists to deliver them into coastal cities.

Which brings me back to the point however that the probability of a large scale terror attack succeeding against a war ready central government is low, and the consequences for the ROC leadership is severe.
 

zhangjim

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It is about as possible to attack the three gorges dam as it is to destroy the USA by attacking yellowstone.

The construction of the dam and its natural terrain makes it into a "concrete mountain", that is not an exaggeration, its mass is similar to a mountain. So in order to do damage, you must be able to vaporize large parts of a mountain.

In any explosion, almost all damage comes from shockwave which would just skip off a mountain. The main phenomenon that can destroy chunks of mountains is a teraton level volcanic eruption, I.e. At least 10x more powerful than the largest man made explosive.

That said, it is not impossible for man made explosives to destroy the three gorges dam, because you can stack nuclear weapons, high dozens or a hundred thermonuclear explosions might be able to vaporize enough concrete to remove the barrier, if the nukes have good CEP and all hit the relatively small target.

But this is irrelevant for the rebel army because they cannot even acquire 1 nuke and have no feasible way to reach that far into the mainland. The closest they can get is maybe infiltrating the area with agents during peace time and setting off a pipe bomb as a symbolic gesture.

If we're going down that route, the greater threat is Taiwan acquiring dirty bombs and using undercover terrorists to deliver them into coastal cities.

Which brings me back to the point however that the probability of a large scale terror attack succeeding against a war ready central government is low, and the consequences for the ROC leadership is severe.
I'm not worried about this. The Taiwan army has no such capability at all. But publicly declaring that this idea is enough to put them on trial for war crimes.
So this is what I call the most ridiculous behavior:People in Chinese Mainland have watched these clowns' performances for many years,a group of people who would run away at the start of the war are provoking everyone with their lives.

What's worse, these lunatics are actually developing these weapons, thinking that they can intimidate their more determined and powerful opponents.

At present, they are more or less aware of their own power,they had to adopt a defensive strategy.But they still have high hopes for their new weapons and the air force,hope to adopt an active defense strategy.

The absurd comics I shared before show this very well,they tried to use tactical missiles and the air force to take the initiative to attack and damage the other side's airports, radars and important military facilities.
Americans have repeatedly pointed out that this idea is unrealistic, and have called for the implementation of street battle tactics that rely more on infantry in an attempt to delay time.

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Here's an article that analyzes why they do this,there are three main reasons:
1、Attack the PLA's tactical missile and long-range rocket launch positions, forcing them to shift positions,buy time for the deployment of the air force and the preservation of its strength.
If they can destroy the launch system, they can also save air defense missiles.
2、"make people believe that we are being defended",large cities that claim to be able to counterattack their opponents can increase their support and morale.
3、Make it easier for the United States to intervene in war.This article was written in 2021. This year's war in Ukraine shows that NATO's intelligence support plays a role.

Taiwan's tactical missile development program is costly.There is a view that DPP is actively creating a huge financial burden,put a huge management burden on the successor (whether the opposition or CPC).

The Americans have repeatedly asked Taiwan to revise its defense strategy,but Taiwan's military strategy is entirely in the service of election politics.
Many voters hate urban warfare.So in order to win the vote, they hype that they can stop the enemy at the border,and let voters believe that they have the ability to retaliate and intimidate Chinese Mainland.Unfortunately, some voters really believe this absurd propaganda.Another group of malicious opportunists are happy to see civilians in Chinese Mainland suffer casualties. When investigating war responsibility, only DPP is unlucky.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Explain it before I go to bed. This approach is based on a ridiculous logic: since we found that the PLA is gathering at the port, we can judge that this is a precursor to an attack, so we are actually fighting back.
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Actually, I plan to use my previous points for further elaboration. But since you have already responded, hence I would just use my elaboration points as part of my response.

You see, with the coastal regions of Fujian being located directly opposite of Taiwan across the Taiwan Strait, by logical sense, those locations would obviously become the staging area for the PLAGF to gather their troops and equipment, board amphibious assault ships of the PLAN before sailing directly for Taiwan. Therefore, those staging areas on Fujian's coastline would become the very first strike targets for any attempts by the ROC military at the very first sign of war in order to thwart any attempts by the PLA to march on Taiwan.

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Therefore, my thoughts is for the PLAGF to gather near those coastal regions, but make it not so obvious enough that people living along the Fujian coastline could figure out what is going to happen right away. Span the gathering of troops over multiple months, and disperse them wide enough so as to not raise clear warnings for the Taiwanese government.

Rather than loading PLAGF troops and equipment onto PLAN amphibious assault ships before the start of the war, the process of boarding PLAGF troops and equipment onto PLAN amphibious assault ships should not begin until at least three days after the start of the war. But of course, the process must be quick.

If that's the case, then what should be done during the first few days of the war?

That period of time should be for the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAN to conduct round-clock, non-stop, intense, and accurate missile, aerial and naval-based bombardment against Taiwan for sufficient durations of time before the PLAGF could be sent over to land on the beaches of Taiwan and initiate ground combat over there. The key objective for the PLARF, PLAAF and PLAN would be to wipe out as many ROC military command centers, radar stations, communication facilities, anti-air and anti-sea defenses, warehouses, oil depots, bases and airfields as quickly as possible, so as to reduce the threats and pressure facing the amphibious assault forces of the PLAN and the PLAGF to land on Taiwan's beaches later on.

Remember that the US-led Coalition bombed Iraq for MORE THAN 40 DAYS before even sending their ground troops into Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. The long bombing runs pretty much decimated much of the Iraqi command and control, infrastructure, air defenses, depots and bases, making short work for the US-led Coalition ground forces to sweep through the Iraqi Republican Army, ending Iraqi occupation of Kuwait and the war itself in just 2-3 weeks afterwards.

At the same time, the places that the PLA should actually take over from the very first day of the war are the Kinmen and Matsu Islands, as they are practically right at mainland China's doorstep. There is no way to bypass those islands and go straight for Taiwan if those ROC military forces on Kinmen and Matsu are still posing danger against the Chinese mainland.

Based on how close Kinmen and Matsu are to mainland China, I guess that even the residents on those islands would know what to do when China finally makes her move against Taiwan.

In fact, the furthest that the PLA could ever reliably advance towards in the first few days of the war, in my opinion, would be the Penghu Islands. In particular, the larger east island (Husi and Magong). Kindly refer to the map below.

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Choosing to take Husi and Magong is because they have:
1. An airport and a small airstrip, which would be very useful for the PLAAF to base their fighters, bombers, drones and support planes there to reduce the jumping distance from mainland China to Taiwan, plus providing a closer runway for any battle-damaged PLAAF planes operating in the southern half of Taiwan to conduct emergency landings on.
2. A sizeable port, which would be useful for unloading PLAGF forces to rule the island under Chinese authorities without having to resort to Mulberry Harbour-style.

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Mulberry Harbor used during the liberation of France in July 1944.

Meanwhile, due to its hilly terrain, the smaller islands to the north (Baisha) and west (Siyu) can be isolated and left to their own demise once ROC military installations on them are wiped out, assuming stubborn resistance from the people on those islands who refused to surrender. The Wangan and Cimei islands located further south can also be bypassed as well.

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其实我打算用我之前的观点来进一步阐述。但由于你已经做出了回应,因此我只想把我的阐述作为我的回应的一部分。

福建沿海地区位于台湾海峡的对岸,从逻辑上讲,这些地方显然会成为解放军陆军集结部队和装备、登上解放军海军的两栖攻击舰,然后直接驶向台湾的集结地。因此,福建海岸线上的这些集结区就将成为台湾军方在战争一开始就试图挫败解放军进军台湾的任何企图首要打击目标

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所以,我的想法是让解放军在这些沿海地区附近集结,但不要太明显,以至于居住在福建海岸线上的人们可以马上知道将要发生什么。将部队的集结时间延长到数个月,并将其分散到足够大的范围,以便不引起台湾政府的警戒。

与其在开战前将解放军陆军部队和装备装上解放军海军的两栖攻击舰,不如在开战后至少三天才开始让解放军陆军部队和装备登上解放军海军两栖攻击舰的过程。当然,这个过程必须迅速

如果是这样的话,那么在战争的头几天应该做什么?

那段时间应该是解放军火箭军、解放军空军和解放军海军对台湾进行昼夜不停、密集、精确的导弹、空中和海上轰炸持续足够长的时间,然后再派解放军陆军登陆台湾,在那里发起地面作战。解放军火箭军、解放军空军和解放军海军的关键目标是尽快消灭尽可能多的台湾军方军事指挥中心、雷达站、通讯设施、防空和防海设施、仓库、油库、基地和机场,以减少解放军海军和解放军陆军的两栖攻击部队以后登陆台湾所面临的威胁和压力。

记得在1991年的海湾战争中,以美国为首的联军在向伊拉克派遣地面部队之前,对伊拉克进行长达40多天轰炸。长时间的联军轰炸几乎摧毁了伊拉克军队的大部分指挥和控制、基础设施、防空设施、仓库和基地,使以美国为首的联军地面部队在短时间内扫荡了伊拉克共和国军队,在随后的2-3周内结束了伊拉克对科威特的占领和战争本身。

同时,解放军在战争的第一天起就应该实际管控的地方是金门和马祖群岛,因为它们实际上就在中国大陆的门口。如果台湾当局在金门和马祖的军事力量仍然对中国大陆构成威胁,那么就没有办法绕过这些岛屿而直接攻打台湾。

基于金门和马祖离中国大陆多近也是必想而知得,所以这些岛上的居民也会知道当中国最终对台湾采取军事行动得时候应该怎么做。

事实上,在我看来,在战争的最初几天,解放军能够可靠地推进的最远的地方是澎湖群岛。特别是较大的东岛(湖西和马公)。请参考下面的地图。

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选择拿湖西和马公,是因为他们有:
1. 一个机场和一个小型简易跑道,这对解放军空军来说非常有用。解放军空军可以让他们的战斗机、轰炸机、无人机和支援飞机驻扎在那里,以减少从中国大陆到台湾的跳跃距离。另外,那个机场还可以为在台湾南半部作战时任何战损的解放军飞机提供一个较近的跑道,以进行紧急降落。
2. 一个体积相当的港口,这将有助于解放军海军卸货,以便于中国当局管辖该岛,而不必采用桑树港式的方法。

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1944年7月解放法国时使用的桑树港。

同时,由于其丘陵地形,北岛(白沙)和西岛(西屿)的小岛屿可以被孤立,一旦台湾军方在这些岛屿上的势力被消灭,就可以任其自生自灭,前提是这些岛屿上拒绝投降的人民的顽强抵抗。位于更南边的望安岛和七美岛同样也可以被绕过。
 
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zhangjim

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Therefore, my thoughts is for the PLAGF to gather near those coastal regions, but make it not so obvious enough that people living along the Fujian coastline could figure out what is going to happen right away. Span the gathering of troops over multiple months, and disperse them wide enough so as to not raise clear warnings for the Taiwanese government.
At this slow pace, I think the risk of secret disclosure is very high.The local people are often quite sensitive to the movements of the army,small vendors dealing with the army may know more about the possibility of military action than Taiwanese spies.
Surprise is always the most important military principle.
Rather than loading PLAGF troops and equipment onto PLAN amphibious assault ships before the start of the war, the process of boarding PLAGF troops and equipment onto amphibious assault ships should not begin until at least three days after the start of the war. But of course, the process must be quick.
Although Russia's "solving Ukraine in one hour and 22 minutes" has become a joke, we should not underestimate the strike efficiency of modern war.Three days is enough time for Americans to react.The essence of a raid is “surprise”,the Taiwan army may take action according to the prepared plan within these three days,they may also partially resume command with the help of the United States.

The risk of external intervention is always a factor that must be considered,without external intervention, we could spend months slowly torturing them.

The panic effect of the surprise attack was astonishing.On the first day of the Ukrainian war, the border checkpoints were empty.The reporter entered Ukraine to Kiev without inspection.That was the most vulnerable time in the whole Ukraine.
It is worth exploring what technical means should be used to completely destroy the propaganda and mobilization capabilities of the Taiwan regime,but this is the best chance to move when order is broken by panicked crowds and refugees block streets and roads.

My idea is contrary to yours. I think it is better to adopt fatigue tactics.Through continuous large-scale exercises to confuse the Taiwan army and the United States.
Put them in the mental torture of high alert,from a physiological point of view, no one can maintain a long-term state of vigilance.When they see this as another bluff, the surprise attack will be fatal.

At the same time, it will help to test the US attitude and force the Taiwan military to expose some targets.
 
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