PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

FairAndUnbiased

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This is actually an operational error,domestic forums are very different from this,I don't quite understand many functions.
I don't know how to delete the wrong content. It's difficult for the network to connect to this website normally.This wastes me a lot of time, and I delay the time of nucleic acid detection.
This forum only allows edits within 5 minutes and no delete. This is unique and is done so people are held responsible for what they say here.
 

zhangjim

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I don’t know what kind of Chinese people you have met but Chinese people have always valued education as the pathway to success and wealth not merely hard work.
I think you should have heard a joke, "I have to work hard so that I can let my boss change his new sports car."A few years ago, enterprises could use "struggle" to deceive employees into bearing low wages and working overtime, but now everyone knows that this is a fraud. Recently, Tik Tok's London office experienced a large-scale resignation because they brought China's bad overtime culture to the UK.
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Well, I think it's too far from the point. Let's say something else.
An important reason that makes me feel more disgusted with the Taiwanese people is that they have cleverly and maliciously used their superior political position and poor censorship mechanism to put pressure on the Chinese Mainland to delete some things they do not like.

I think many people in this forum should know” yankeesama“,he made a lot of descriptions about his military strategy towards Taiwan, but unfortunately, the Taiwanese put pressure on him, claiming that it hurt their feelings, so his account was blocked.
Unfortunately, I missed a lot of content.

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Here is a crazy strategic assumption about filling the Taiwan Strait,I once saw this answer in Zhihu, but it was not surprising that it was reported and blocked by Taiwanese.
Fortunately, I found a copy of the respondent.Unfortunately, the comments below the original answer provide a lot of interesting historical details, but I don't think we can see them anymore
 

ansy1968

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Does the government of Taiwan have to have a referendum before officially declaring itself to be an independent country?
@B.I.B. bro legally they can't cause IF they do then the Mainlanders have a say and must participate cause ROC represent all of China. The only answer is to secede BUT again how? What is the premise since you claim yourself to represent China. So what DPP is doing is an idiocracy in itself. The One China Principle box the Taiwanese in either you accept the status quo or fear of being invaded.
 

InfamousMeow

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Nice try pretending to be a Chinese. You have a lot of awkward phrasings that are not used by mainland Chinese, I can see that you intended to adopt some phrases commonly used by mainland Chinese, but you failed miserably because no adult in China write this awkwardly. You wrote like a high-level primary school students trying to grasp how to use those fancy newly-learnt phrases and sentence structures. Also, next time you pretend to be a Chinese, at very least try to remember that most Chinese don't use "中共(Chicom)", especially not in a derogatory way. Also, remember to not use too many "我们(we)" "人们(people)".

The tell-tale sign of the fact that you are not well-versed in contemporary Chinese is that you said "这些 利益 被用来拉拢商人和资本家,而真正的工人却无法从中受益。(These benefits are used to endear businessman and capitalist, but real workers cannot get any benefit.)" The thing is, 工人 in contemporary Chinese, when used casually, almost exclusively refers to industrial workers, not workers. Also, in the context of this sentence, I have never seen a Chinese use 工人(industrial workers), they would just use 台湾人民(people of Taiwan).


我觉得 我好像 离题太远了,所以我会 集中回答一些而不是 过多地谈论这个
台湾问题是少数让我失去理智和情绪影响的话题之一,我同意一位网友的说法,台湾问题根本不是中美问题,而是中国内政。
从目前的情况来看,统一问题取决于高层是否愿意承担重大历史责任以及对外依存度,但第一点最为重要。

对台优惠政策是一种拖延战术,在自身准备不足的情况下,利用足够的利益来拖延台独进程。(No one in China believes that the policy of providing benefits to Taiwan is delaying the Taiwan independence movement when China is not prepared. This just shows your ignorance of Chinese history and, more specifically, the history of Chinese policy towards Taiwan)

然而,这意味着 应该 向台湾人民提供宝贵的社会资源一开始人们 可以认为 这是和平统一的必要贡献然而随着情况的发展我们 发现 我们错了
台湾左翼政党领袖公开抨击 这是 不可能的策略这些 利益 被用来拉拢商人和资本家,而真正的工人却无法从中受益。不是CPC 应该做的事情
如果社会主义制度不能实行,不如不统一?????,不如统一?????”(根据我的记忆,请帮忙指正具体出处)

不出所料,很快我们 都意识到 这 无助于 和平统一:台湾人在电视节目中公开宣称大陆人一群傻瓜他们宁愿让水果在地里腐烂,也不愿购买台湾水果。两岸一旦统一,我们就失去这样优惠政策不能统一

人们 意识到 这是 一种 无用的做法,但这种 做法仍在继续人们 不得不 怀疑 这种 做法真实 意图这也意味着中共 过去 引以为豪 “群众路线” 战略在统一工作中没有发挥作用

我讨厌 谈论 国家之间谁更糟糕,我认为竞争应该是让每个人都提高自己,但不幸的是除了 军事进步我们在 吹嘘 谁犯的错误更少美国人 有他们的困难我们 有我们的困难
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我国 的 一个 缺点是缺乏社会矛盾的泄压阀。文化产品应该作为化解不满的工具可惜 政府 总是以不合理的政治正确 为由 禁止一切。恐怖片不能有血腥元素和超自然元素,也不能拍 反映 刑侦方式的电视剧,为了防止少年早恋,把漫画中的“喜欢/爱全部删掉非历史小说不允许有 真实 国家组织 的名字以免造成 不必要外交和政治麻烦,过去的历史是不可改变的。任何能改变历史潮流的小说或游戏,尤其是与中共 密切相关历史时期,都不允许出现。不允许选择“贼”和“强盗
听完之后 是不是觉得 窒息?
CPC 在网络中 有一个 昵称叫“邪神”。

于是 颓废开始盛行一大群人 笑着看着 共产党 出丑。我这么 批评 共产党 是因为我还在乎它更多的人 冷眼等待 现政权 垮台,彻底洗牌所有社会地层
那些 忠实的支持者 被视为 傻瓜,“政府 喜欢 制裁 这些 爱国者利维坦 不需要 你的支持”。

这些 灰心丧气 的家伙 只是 非常积极 地 攻击 政权支持者希望尽快逃往 或 来世重生 到社会福利更好的北欧国家。

本来有文化建设的义务和责任,现在只有 粗略限制管理
生活如此艰难他们甚至无法偿还抵押贷款。为什么要 剥夺 他们 唯一的乐趣
因此,文化部也赢得了文化焚烧部的 “名誉”。以 官方身份 发布禁令势必比使用民间协会管理承受更多的愤怒和批评。
所有的 不满 都会 针对 现有的系统但 当局 似乎 总是觉得 他们 坐的炸弹 不够强大
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所以 在过去的几年里,我对任何痴迷于权力的人 产生了 极度的厌恶。他们 可能 只是为了 节省一点成本而选择让微不足道的人付出巨大的代价甚至不给勋章
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理论上他们 需要 彻底结束 中华民国法律地位摒弃一切与中国” 有关历史因素

These are just the awkward usages of language that I find the first time I read through it. I am not even looking into the content of your post, just the phrasing. What a load of crap it is!

Now there are several likely possibilities:
1. You are Chinese but you didn't even finish your middle school.
2. You are a Chinese immigrant in other countries and lost a lot of your Chinese skills.
2. You are a foreigner studying Chinese, you certainly have a lot of habits of English speakers.
3. You are a Taiwanese 1450 trying to adapt to mainland's use of mandarin and push your propaganda.
4. You are a foreigner/Taiwanese using a specialized translation software to feign as a mainland Chinese.

Of course, there is always the slight possibilities that you are actually Chinese and non of the above. But damn your Chinese is awkward, not even awkward, just horrendous and abominable.
 

zhangjim

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Nice try pretending to be a Chinese. You have a lot of awkward phrasings that are not used by mainland Chinese, I can see that you intended to adopt some phrases commonly used by mainland Chinese, but you failed miserably because no adult in China write this awkwardly. You wrote like a high-level primary school students trying to grasp how to use those fancy newly-learnt phrases and sentence structures. Also, next time you pretend to be a Chinese, at very least try to remember that most Chinese don't use "中共(Chicom)", especially not in a derogatory way. Also, remember to not use too many "我们(we)" "人们(people)".

The tell-tale sign of the fact that you are not well-versed in contemporary Chinese is that you said "这些 利益 被用来拉拢商人和资本家,而真正的工人却无法从中受益。(These benefits are used to endear businessman and capitalist, but real workers cannot get any benefit.)" The thing is, 工人 in contemporary Chinese, when used casually, almost exclusively refers to industrial workers, not workers. Also, in the context of this sentence, I have never seen a Chinese use 工人(industrial workers), they would just use 台湾人民(people of Taiwan).




These are just the awkward usages of language that I find the first time I read through it. I am not even looking into the content of your post, just the phrasing. What a load of crap it is!

Now there are several likely possibilities:
1. You are Chinese but you didn't even finish your middle school.
2. You are a Chinese immigrant in other countries and lost a lot of your Chinese skills.
2. You are a foreigner studying Chinese, you certainly have a lot of habits of English speakers.
3. You are a Taiwanese 1450 trying to adapt to mainland's use of mandarin and push your propaganda.
4. You are a foreigner/Taiwanese using a specialized translation software to feign as a mainland Chinese.

Of course, there is always the slight possibilities that you are actually Chinese and non of the above. But damn your Chinese is awkward, not even awkward, just horrendous and abominable.

It's a pity that you guessed completely wrong.
I appreciate your imagination, but unfortunately this is the wrong message caused by the wrong switch when I use the 360 browser's own translation tool.
By the time I realized there seemed to be something wrong, it was too late.
At the same time, I also suffer from network interruption. Only VPN can guarantee normal access, but I use the free daily limited time version
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The biggest obstacle is not the military.
It is a pity that there is no systematic collection of articles on the problems of PLA in the past,but personally I think the shortage of funding is the main factor.In the public press or in information shared privately by soldiers, it is known that before the military reform it was the norm to throw those high-tech equipment in storage and use traditional methods for exercises.Any thinking dilemma stems from a material one.

Today, PLA has a much better material base than ever before.So military readiness is no longer an issue.

But what is worrisome is the political issue.Many of us are concerned about the international environment, but little attention is paid to the internal problems of China.

What we worry about is whether the "Metamorphosis" of the leadership can maintain the purity of the proletarian political party after attracting capitalists into the party. Unfortunately, Chinese capitalists still have a strong comprador color, which will strengthen the possibility of choosing foreign compromise at the expense of workers' rights and interests.

I don't think these issues are suitable for this kind of forum, but whenever I see some people swear that there are no internal problems I can't help but refute.

The military is a group full of secrets for the public,much of the information we get relies on official propaganda, and many people do not have the expertise to judge the true level of the military.

The Chinese government's propaganda has always had a tendency to be seriously detached from the people and reality.But we don't know enough about the military, and the PLA has a good record in the past, which many people will take official propaganda at face value.
But wait until you are exposed to some knowledge before you realize that the Chinese government's propaganda capabilities are dismal, and that the PLA capabilities before military reform were not commensurate with the propaganda, and that this exaggerated image is further exaggerated by internet novels and crude TV dramas.
While China's domestic military forums are happy about the constant flow of new equipment, most are ignorant of the real risks that exist within.

This makes me very disgusted with these unrealistic propaganda. The bureaucracy that ignores laws and disciplines and abuses power is still rampant. The leadership is as elusive as a fog. We can only rely on some baseless rumors to speculate whether the leaders are "good people".

Not caring about politics does not mean that we can avoid bad policies that do whatever we want and ignore reality. The city I live in once suffered a rain disaster, which is largely due to the unrealistic municipal construction planning adopted by the municipal government.
This undoubtedly aggravates the sense of alienation between the people and the ruling party."Our country is strong, but it has nothing to do with me."This bad idea is spreading everywhere.

The preferential treatment policy for Taiwanese people has aroused great dissatisfaction,the most notorious statement of bureaucrats is:"宁可我们没有,也要台胞优先"(would rather we don't have, also want Taiwanese first).

When any great idea is so stupid when implemented, no one will have confidence in such management
The military is a group full of secrets for the public,much of the information we get relies on official propaganda, and many people do not have the expertise to judge the true level of the military.
I don't know if you're aware of this fact but military of any nation is secretive in nature and propagandists and that includes any and every western powers with the U.S. on top of that list.

And as much as you rightfully doubts and complains about the supposed ills, and character defects of some of the people that leads the government along with their supposed incompetence one can't help but notice that the very same party you seem to dismiss and people are the same one that's been responsible for making the country arrive at such a destination of relative success and opulence that people like you have arrived to nitpick and able to perhaps look for the imperfections vying for some sort of perfection.

There's no such system that exists anywhere else in the world, the closest one I can find is in China and that's the plain brutal fact. I have lived in many forms of democracies and I have yet to be impressed of the system's supposed inherent competence. The recent and still ongoing covid-19 pandemic is further proof of it and the results thus far is the proof of that pudding.

If the mainland had succumb to the scourge of Covid-19 and had suffered a devastating Indian like deaths as seen on the streets of India, the largest democracy in the world, and a country with problems you don't even want to wish on your worst enemy, then you ought to reassess, reevaluate objectively and not unrealistically how your country compares. Now, does it mean that we as citizens shouldn't strive or to seek better outcome, better results, clean and competent governance from the officials? Of course, but until the CPC and the people that helms the party stop delivering for the vast majority of people and leads the country down a path of destruction through recklessness, decadence, and unmatched corruption with nothing to show for the people then I can fully support as well as endorse your views.

You're way too pessimistic and seems to think of China's international perception as reality that it has affected your views and feelings of the country. Remember the country is as only as strong as the people that comprise it. I mean, if half of what the country has achieved were made by India the Indians would more than overlook whatever literal shit is happening in their country their pride and extreme prejudice would reach a new level or Jai Hind.

I am not suggesting for you to adopt a feeling of extreme bombastic nationalism but have some sense or pride on what your country has done, has achieved, and continues to achieve despite these existing international pressures that has been part of China's environment since the first OPIUM war.

The level of pessimism in your post makes it sound like China is about to collapse anytime soon without realizing and tempering your views while legitimate is just but one of many inside the country. Don't presume to know or that you speak for the many because that's how I have interpreted your opinion thus far.
 

InfamousMeow

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It's a pity that you guessed completely wrong.
I appreciate your imagination, but unfortunately this is the wrong message caused by the wrong switch when I use the 360 browser's own translation tool.
By the time I realized there seemed to be something wrong, it was too late.
At the same time, I also suffer from network interruption. Only VPN can guarantee normal access, but I use the free daily limited time version

I am sorry for the reply, and the unfounded accusations against you! My sincere apology!

Some of the talking points in your original posts was so outdated and ridiculous that it's almost a cliché talking point of certain group of people. Combined with the broken Chinese, I wrongly assumed that it must be written by someone that hasn't lived in China for quite a long time.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I slept too late yesterday, and my biological clock has made my wake-up time a regular one. I have things to do in the morning, so I'm not going back to bed, so I might as well take advantage of this time to talk more.

The emergence of good things will praise the whole, the emergence of bad things will be treated differently, which in my opinion is undoubtedly a double standard.The fortunate thing about this incident is that it got enough exposure, but I don't know if the mistake will be corrected, after all, this is a tens of billions of debt crisis.

Sir, I don't want to make a personal attack,but these words are just too generic and useless.
People need to live and support their families,this matter is not a great contribution and sacrifice,this is a vicious economic crime of illegal misappropriation of deposits.

With 400,000 victims in just one region, what kind of disaster would it be if there were a nationwide outbreak?What rhetoric can you use to convince these people to give up their property?
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Optimism is necessary, but this year it's really important to stay vigilant.This place is not suitable for too much discussion of such non-military related topics,but I think it's important to remind those who envision their strategies with positive optimism in mind:The reason China failed to take military action was not to wait for a better time,simply because they are stuck in a quagmire of internal governance that they cannot extricate themselves from.


I'd like to say more about military affairs.
When you look back at history, you will be surprised by the condition of the army.
In the most dangerous 1990s, China's nuclear weapons deterrent capability could be completely ignored,the most important DF-5 missile is limited by funding and its performance is not stable.

If SSBN with only symbolic meaning is not considered,so the worst estimate is that nuclear missiles with deterrent capability are only in single digits.
Secrecy saved China,but soon a lot of key information was revealed to the Americans by the traitors, and the most significant loss was that the initial design of the DF-31 was scrapped because of the leak.

The lack of military action in 1996 was undoubtedly correct, but it became an important basis for the subsequent arrogant provocations of the Taiwanese independence faction: they think that the CPC would not dare to act at all!

Trump is arrogant and aggressive towards China,but he treats Putin with deference.
There is a political pull to this, but I like his straightforwardness: The United States will only negotiate with adversaries capable of destroying the United States(I've forgotten the source of the original quote, but only the general meaning)

Nuclear deterrence is the most important bottom card to solve the Taiwan issue, which is well known to everyone.We all know very well what those "wind turbines" in the desert really are.

But another unseen danger is masked by propaganda:Political Corruption.
Before punishing Guo and Xu, two senior military officials, we knew nothing about the severity of the corrosion of the army.
Officials tout our military's ability to defend our national interests, but the facts revealed are alarming.
Selling off military jobs and making training a formality to avoid risk,it was not until the fall of two generals that people within the military dared to speak the truth that they had not dared to disclose in the past.
The final military reforms cut off the military from economic activities and put an end to the history of commercial activities by the military.
Decisions made in the 1980s ended up taking us almost 20 years to clean up the situation.

Before the reform, General Jin Yi Nan once revealed an amazing fact: the knowledge level of senior generals in the early 21st century was ridiculously deficient, and they lacked the most basic vigilance to the external environment.
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As you can see from the text(Page 3), these generals do not know why the wings of carrier based aircraft are folded, nor can they tell the difference between APC and IFV!

I was young at the time, and the rampant independence movement in Taiwan was at its peak.PLA is one of the few groups we can trust,General Zhang Zhaozhong once showed a high degree of alertness to the situation in an interview,but many people just look at him as a meme.
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This is a thought-provoking article, General Zhang has an extremely sober understanding of the situation.
We can trust the people's army, but it's hard to say whether the rest of the people are so sober and vigilant.Many of the problems that exist today also stem from this reason.

Today the building of military forces has reached a satisfactory point,the U.S. can no longer maintain the so-called "balance" by selling weapons, but today's arms sales are still a strong act of provocation.
But looking back, I have to think so: many problems were cleverly covered up by the propaganda that.Defense is very vulnerable for a long time.
There is a joke widely spread: use me in the first battle and bear the consequences(首战用我,后果自负)
It's good to learn a little bit about the military, he can make me realize how dangerous the past is and how harsh the reality is underneath the propaganda that was once spoken so loudly.
Also, please pardon me for saying this but this is how my dismissive side sees your comments:
Crippling inflation, incoming recession, 1 million COVID deaths: I sleep

1 month Shanghai lockdown: REAL SHIT
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I'll say a few more words before I go to the shopping.

After many devastating attacks on domestic military forums, the remaining forums are very sensitive to all topics and avoid talking about all domestic military information.Even Baidu Baike has largely deleted relevant entries about domestic weapons.
Under such circumstances, I have to go to a place where I can still talk about serious topics.

China's military enthusiasts are different from those new Patriots,they have the valuable quality of having confidence in the motherland at the most difficult times, and they are very concerned about the future and destiny of the motherland.

Seeing those opportunists who profit from patriotism, I think they can never be compared with Chinese military enthusiasts.

But the government's reward to military enthusiasts is to "rectify" on the grounds of preventing and controlling leaks.
I know the importance of secrecy about nuclear weapons, but being deprived of the joy of life is not pleasant.

In my life, I have become numb to the movies, novels, games and animation that have been banned or roughly cut. The reasons why the government deprives you of your hobbies are often ridiculous.The cultural market is full of miasma and uninteresting garbage.
However, it is difficult to find a place without censorship to discuss your favorite military topics.

For me, the ruling party is still using the outdated and disgusting feudal method of controlling the people——”天威难测“(
The power of heaven is unpredictable),the key is discretion without clear criteria,forcing the people not to do anything "superfluous".Local government bureaucrats are using this trick without scruple.

When I saw that the managers of the domestic military forum gingerly prohibited anyone from expressing dissatisfaction with the government: "you are crazy! Do you want to destroy this forum?" I had to choose to leave and come here.

It turns out to be ironic, isn't it?
I mean, hey, their loss our gain by having you on this forum so all isn't loss. While I have fundamental disagreement with your views on the government I can't and shouldn't dismiss any of your criticisms carelessly. Unless, you're a Taiwanese separatists trying to sow division by writing untruths and propaganda against the country then I wish you nothing but contempt.
 
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