PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

AndrewS

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The point is basically, if you are depending on HQ-17 launching on the ship, you're using it wrong

Plus, if it's expending the missiles firing at sea (if it were even feasible, the radar issues are a good point), then you would be left with an empty useless vehicle landing on the shore.

I heard that Tor can't be fired fully on the move, but on the SAM thread there are definitely videos of HQ-17 firing on the move. Wonder what the difference is?

They do have reload vehicles you know.
Plus what good is a fully loaded HQ-17 if the ship it is on is sunk?
 

supersnoop

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They do have reload vehicles you know.
Plus what good is a fully loaded HQ-17 if the ship it is on is sunk?
As mentioned by the preceding posters, the landing ship shouldn't be operating outside of fleet air cover and air support should clear out as many known anti-ship batteries as possible.
Initial spearhead should serve to maximize fighting defensive positions on the shore, that means marines and ground fighting vehicles.
Landing forces need to push forward and take over a port or airport to maximize the ability to land reinforcements.
HQ-17 is not reloading under these circumstances, and a reload vehicle has no fighting value.

Your costing is the final nail, if you are afraid of the landing ship being sunk by a cruise missile, stick the HQ-10 w/ datalink on. It's the same cost as an HQ-17. The fact that this is an additional cost should not be an issue because this is a matter of national survival.
AEW will detect cruise missile launch and if the ship is in danger, then HQ-10 will engage it.

HQ-17 can land and engage threats further inland in the way it was intended to and a slot on the landing ship in the initial assault would not be wasted on a vehicle with no fighting capability.
 

Abominable

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With America being stretched on all fronts right now, I wonder whether a Taiwan invasion becomes a realistic short term prospect.

Maybe North Korea can put some pressure against South Korea and/or Japan, and Russia can get Syria/Iran to start something with Israel. One at a time, and assess the American response. Maybe Argentina can get an express delivery of JF-17s too.

I don't think Biden can keep all these plates spinning at the same time and keep an eye on Taiwan.
 

Phead128

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With America being stretched on all fronts right now, I wonder whether a Taiwan invasion becomes a realistic short term prospect.

Maybe North Korea can put some pressure against South Korea and/or Japan, and Russia can get Syria/Iran to start something with Israel. One at a time, and assess the American response. Maybe Argentina can get an express delivery of JF-17s too.

I don't think Biden can keep all these plates spinning at the same time and keep an eye on Taiwan.
US isn't going to defend Taiwan anyways. The consideration for China is whether it's economically beneficial to reduce Taiwan to rubble and endure Western sanctions in the process. If the world is already going to global WW3, perhaps we can all rebuild our society from rubble at the same time and Western economic retailiation will likely be less severe when distracted in global war, then China should take opportunity to reunify once and for all.

Perhaps China invading Taiwan when everyone is distracted and shit is already hitting the fan is optimal to deflect attention away instead of Russia's mistake, acting as the sole attention of international community, so Western sanctions we're amplified and more severe.
 
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Volpler11

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A Moorcockian question:
Is it possible for Taiwan to build a "sea maze" on their side of the strait using offshore wind turbines so that PLAN will have to either blow up wind turbines (potential war crime?) or spend time navigating the maze?
Sure it might take around 50k turbine. But the question is why not just use mine? it would be even harder to remove. Also, how are you going to get any supply/merchant ship past it in normal time? Taiwan is not exact self-sufficient.

And it wouldn't be war crime to demolish obstacles in a time of war.
 

Abominable

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US isn't going to defend Taiwan anyways. The consideration for China is whether it's economically beneficial to reduce Taiwan to rubble and endure Western sanctions in the process. If the world is already going to global WW3, perhaps we can all rebuild our society from rubble at the same time and Western economic retailiation will likely be less severe when distracted in global war, then China should take opportunity to reunify once and for all.

Perhaps China invading Taiwan when everyone is distracted and shit is already hitting the fan is optimal to deflect attention away instead of Russia's mistake, acting as the sole attention of international community, so Western sanctions we're amplified and more severe.
That's my point. The Anglo empire is very distracted right now, throwing in more conflicts will make it even harder for them to support Taiwan, whether that be military, diplomatic or economic.

North Korea launches a few missiles near South Korea/Japan. They then do a nuclear test.
Hamas start firing missiles into Israel again, triggering an Israeli response. Syria does the same through Hezbollah.
Pakistan could start something with India.
There are lots of other conflict zones where China has friends on one side and America/NATO have interests on the other. Turkey, Argentina and the Falklands.

Each of these events would be significant geopolitical events in their own right that would require a US/NATO response, likely a surge in military where locally stationed forces are present.
 

Broccoli

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US isn't going to defend Taiwan anyways. The consideration for China is whether it's economically beneficial to reduce Taiwan to rubble and endure Western sanctions in the process. If the world is already going to global WW3, perhaps we can all rebuild our society from rubble at the same time and Western economic retailiation will likely be less severe when distracted in global war, then China should take opportunity to reunify once and for all.

Perhaps China invading Taiwan when everyone is distracted and shit is already hitting the fan is optimal to deflect attention away instead of Russia's mistake, acting as the sole attention of international community, so Western sanctions we're amplified and more severe.

And if they do? Putin thought that special operation was going to be fast and easy.


Here is uncomfy question: What if China moves on Taiwan and the operation ends up being an total failure with heavy casualties?
 

Phead128

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US isn't going to defend Taiwan anyways.
And if they do? Putin thought that special operation was going to be fast and easy.
I didn't know US intervened and defended Ukraine? What does Putin's blitzkrieg miscalculation has to do with US defending Taiwan?
Here is uncomfy question: What if China moves on Taiwan and the operation ends up being an total failure with heavy casualties?
Okay, I see. It's okay, maybe China can regroup and try again in 10 or 50 years? Qin Shi Huang didn't reunify China in a single battle or campaign, took decades.

Is US going to park a zillion CATOBARs and 5th gens along China's coast to deter invasion for the next 10000 years? Becuz we Chinese will keep trying. It's just outside our coastline.
 
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