PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

lych470

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Oh, come on. Gorbachev gave up everything for nothing. What I'm suggesting is giving up something the West has no respect for anyway (de jure sovereignty) for something militarily extremely useful (Penghu, Lanyu, Green Island, etc,.). Good luck resisting an invasion once PLA has Penghu fully militarized and under its control.

The modern Chinese psyche and founding myth is based on the nation and people rising up and uniting behind a common cause. To give Taiwan up would be to wound the collective psyche of all Chinese citizens and would shatter the legitimacy of the government.
 

OppositeDay

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The modern Chinese psyche and founding myth is based on the nation and people rising up and uniting behind a common cause. To give Taiwan up would be to wound the collective psyche of all Chinese citizens and would shatter the legitimacy of the government.

Yet Chinese psyche had no problem surviving Mongolian independence. National identity is not something fixed. Very few people today consider Mongolians in Mongolia to be Chinese. I feel a lot of empathy toward Mongolians because of cultural bonds. They cook their baozi exactly the same way my family cook ours. I'm very glad that Chinese government is offering to help them with their severe environmental problems. But I don't consider them Chinese. The same could one-day be true for Taiwanese. New China has its founding myth in Mao and socialism. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that there could be millions of Han people who are not Chinese.

Also look at Russia's invasion of Ukraine. A lot of Russian soldiers on the battlefield come from its Eastern Military Region. North Asian Russians, Mongolic minorities, are fighting and dying for Putin's idea that ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians are one people. It's fine if they personally believe the cause, but really sad if they don't. I know a lot of minority Chinese online posters, Manchu, Korean, Miao, Uyghur, who are very pro military reunification. They are great patriots. But should we demand all Chinese minorities to make a collective sacrifice for taking Taiwan because Taiwan is majority Han and therefore hard to let go for us?

I guess I just don't believe the romance of the cause, and instead want to maximize national interests.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Basically what Oberbom just said, even if we entertain the idea of independent Taiwan it wouldn't just have to be neutral, it would need to actually host chinese bases (so basically a vassal) at which point why bother lol
 

lych470

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Yet Chinese psyche had no problem surviving Mongolian independence. National identity is not something fixed. Very few people today consider Mongolians in Mongolia to be Chinese. I feel a lot of empathy toward Mongolians because of cultural bonds. They cook their baozi exactly the same way my family cook ours. I'm very glad that Chinese government is offering to help them with their severe environmental problems. But I don't consider them Chinese. The same could one-day be true for Taiwanese. New China has its founding myth in Mao and socialism. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that there could be millions of Han people who are not Chinese.

Also look at Russia's invasion of Ukraine. A lot of Russian soldiers on the battlefield come from its Eastern Military Region. North Asian Russians, Mongolic minorities, are fighting and dying for Putin's idea that ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians are one people. It's fine if they personally believe the cause, but really sad if they don't. I know a lot of minority Chinese online posters, Manchu, Korean, Miao, Uyghur, who are very pro military reunification. They are great patriots. But should we demand all Chinese minorities to make a collective sacrifice for taking Taiwan because Taiwan is majority Han and therefore hard to let go for us?

I guess I just don't believe the romance of the cause, and instead want to maximize national interests.

No one is demanding anything from anyone here. Vast majority of people in Taiwan are Han Chinese, the same race of people on China.

China doesn't have a foreign legion or a legion of ethnic people. No one is forcing ethnic minorities to join the PLA and potentially bleed and die for China. Your arguments are not sound based on your own logic.
 

56860

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New China has its founding myth in Mao and socialism. I'm perfectly fine with the idea that there could be millions of Han people who are not Chinese.
This is the wrong way forward. 30 years of Maoist rule does not override 5000 years of dynastic culture and history. If you define Chinese = Mao/Socialism, you risk alienating the support of millions of overseas ethnic Chinese, an invaluable asset.

To be Chinese is to be a Descendant of Yan and Huang Emperors. A son or daughter of the Han, Tang, Song and Ming dynasties. Such an identity binds together ethnic Chinese regardless of citizenship or residency, and compels each to contribute to the PRC, the proper successor state to the Chinese dynastic line.

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与此同时,另一个歼-20双机编队从南昌向塘空军基地升空,意图对台北部空域的预警机实施打击。此前的歼-20编队之所以没有同时执行两个空域预警机的打击任务,是考虑到我军对于爱国者部署尚没有掌握准确情报,执行任务的空域过于深入,南北穿行风险较大,而歼-20若首战被击落,将面临着极大的政治风险。

At the same time, another J-20 twin formation lifted off from Nanchang Xiangtang Air Base with the intention of carrying out strikes against early warning aircraft in the northern airspace of Taiwan. The reason why the previous J-20 formation did not carry out strikes against early warning aircraft in both airspace at the same time was that our military did not yet have accurate intelligence on the Patriot missile deployment, and the airspace for the mission was too deep and risky for north-south penetration, while the J-20 would face great political risk if it was shot down in the first battle.


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开战已经将近3个小时,美国、日本相继通过外交管道表达了对于当前态势的谴责,但外交辞令中亦留有余地,且并没有任何进一步的军事行动。接到上级指令后,辽宁舰航母编队开始向台湾东部沿海机动。多架台战机沿东海岸巡逻应对。对台的两面夹击态势形成。


Nearly three hours into the war, the U.S. and Japan have expressed their condemnation of the current situation through diplomatic channels, but there is room for diplomatic rhetoric and no further military action. After receiving instructions from their superiors, the Liaoning carrier formation began maneuvering toward the eastern coast of Taiwan. A number of Taiwanese warplanes patrolled along the east coast in response. A two-pronged attack posture against Taiwan was formed.

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由10艘022导弹艇组成的南部SAG导弹艇编队向南部的4艘光华6号导弹艇发射鹰击-83并准确命中各个目标。


The southern SAG missile boat formation, consisting of 10 022 missile boats, fires YJ-83 at the four Guanghua 6 missile boats in the south and accurately hits each target.



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歼-20编队直指台湾北部心脏地带。由于台湾加强了在这一空域的战斗巡逻,给歼-20的任务执行增加了困难。多架歼-11出击,有效清理了该空域的多架敌机,为歼-20做好了铺垫。

The J-20 formation pointed directly at Taiwan's northern heartland. As Taiwan intensified combat patrols in this airspace, it added difficulties to the J-20's mission execution. Multiple J-11s struck, effectively clearing the airspace of multiple enemy aircraft and paving the way for the J-20s.

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17:23,歼-20从外围发动打击,命中台军E-2K预警机。至此,两架预警机全部被击落,由于跑道遭到损坏,其余E-2K无法起飞,大型雷达已经在两轮东风打击中遭到摧毁,台军的信息化感知能力极大削弱。

At 17:23, J-20 launched a strike from the outside and hit the Taiwanese E-2K AWACS. At this point, all two early warning aircraft were shot down, and the remaining E-2Ks were unable to take off due to runway damage, and the large radar had been destroyed in two rounds of DF missile strikes, greatly weakening Taiwan's information perception capability.

Under the subsequent multiple small-scale East Wind strikes, all five major underground command centers of the Taiwanese army were finally successfully destroyed, the command system of the Taiwanese army was de facto paralyzed, all land-based radar stations were destroyed, and all runways and taxiways of all air bases except for Hsinchu and Tainan airports (which needed to be landed and occupied) were destroyed, thus effectively suppressing the main force of the Taiwanese air force from rising into the air, and our air force had basically gained air control over the Taiwan Strait. The air force had basically gained air control over the Taiwan Strait. Next, our Hsinchu landing force and its escort formation, and Tainan landing force and its escort formation will open landing operations.
does this simulator not take into account of ground force movements? I would expect that within hours of opening salvo ground force would attempt to seize Kinmen and some of the Matsu/Dongyin islets. those islets will be easier to seize during all the confusion.
 
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