PLA Small arms
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True. From the optics one can truly see the eastern/soviet origin of Chinese small arms design philosophy.
MwRYum
Major
And the Russians will probably kill you slowly, after they berate you for hours that they don't have such a lousy student...
Seriously, if you just look at the PSO-1 scope or kobra sight, you'd find these MIC sights are essentially cobble up design like some last-minute work just to send their clueless boss away, like the supposed ACOG / RMR combo-copy design, the horizontal adjustment knob is high enough to obstruct the RMR sight.
If you can't keep a good design as-is, and worse flopped it (which is in this case as such), then you should be dragged out to the backyard and be shot for it.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Taking a second look at the " AClone".
I should have looked for the Trijicon logo.and the bar across the light tube.both are missing.
second there seem to be two units. The photos of just the weapon being handled are the "total package" with the RMR clone. And black capped knobs and the stripped unit which has exposed steel screws and lacks the knob this is the unit being sighted in.
now if it was just the sighting system it would probably be a much lower profile system but the base has a lot going on. From time to time in the west you see combo units like this.
it looks like the Chinese are working on a attempt at a equivalent to the Integrated Pointing Illumination Module (AN/PEQ-
16) in terms of size its about right for the first generation of that system which combined a IR laser, a visible laser a IR illuminater and a flash light. The Marines issue the . The Mini Integrated Pointing Illumination Module (AN/PEQ-
16B) which is the latest version using LEDs as standard. That unit is alot smaller. The Israeli MARsII sight is a example of a combination sight that combines a Holographic weapons sight and a set of visible and IR lasers. The weird bit on this one is the "Flashlight" in the center. Its to dark. There is no reflector visible I think it might be a IR navigation light rather then a Flashlight per se. That means a flashlight with a IR filter like what they used to use on first Gen Night vision. And its part of the specs for the . The Mini Integrated Pointing Illumination Module to.
I should have looked for the Trijicon logo.and the bar across the light tube.both are missing.
second there seem to be two units. The photos of just the weapon being handled are the "total package" with the RMR clone. And black capped knobs and the stripped unit which has exposed steel screws and lacks the knob this is the unit being sighted in.
now if it was just the sighting system it would probably be a much lower profile system but the base has a lot going on. From time to time in the west you see combo units like this.
it looks like the Chinese are working on a attempt at a equivalent to the Integrated Pointing Illumination Module (AN/PEQ-
16) in terms of size its about right for the first generation of that system which combined a IR laser, a visible laser a IR illuminater and a flash light. The Marines issue the . The Mini Integrated Pointing Illumination Module (AN/PEQ-
16B) which is the latest version using LEDs as standard. That unit is alot smaller. The Israeli MARsII sight is a example of a combination sight that combines a Holographic weapons sight and a set of visible and IR lasers. The weird bit on this one is the "Flashlight" in the center. Its to dark. There is no reflector visible I think it might be a IR navigation light rather then a Flashlight per se. That means a flashlight with a IR filter like what they used to use on first Gen Night vision. And its part of the specs for the . The Mini Integrated Pointing Illumination Module to.
Like other said, it is a flashlight. But the interesting thing is that it has red and green laser, flashlight and "strong light". Maybe strong light is used for disorientation when flashed at people's eye
MwRYum
Major
Even if that's what they were trying to do (those are private enterprise effort, not officially funded R&D, the Guangdong PAP outfit just there to evaluate what works and what not for them only), that's still idiotic, better to make the illumination kit a separate entity than try to glob the whole thing with the ACOG-knockoff (it's so badly made I won't use the word "clone"). And even the ACOG-knockoff has its own problem, cap for the adjustment knob gets into the way of the RMR sight.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
that's one of the main function of a weapon light. Its not a system to be always on like you see in Hollywood. As that would give away you're position. Its a surprising flash or strobe to temporarily disabled your victims Vision. The other method is a navigation light that's usually power.
To a degree I agree, but Mwry to the same degree I disagree.
As we look at the photos we see they were doing more then just looking at it as is. In one photo the knobs were either uncovered or a stripped down unit was used. This alternate form lacks the mini dot, This strikes me as a unfinished product. A prototype
. In the west tactical product makers often take prototypes and unfinished products to military and police departments for trail and end user input. The military of the US will even take and trial a weapon or system that is not production ready outside the line. In example the XM8 carbine was photographed in Iraq before the program was cancelled. And the XM25 was seeing action... Is seeing action long before official production.
now I agree. In its current form its hideous. Large and bulky. Its got the flaws you described and then some.
now I disagree there are examples of combination gun sights and lasers that not only work but are popular.The ITL MARS is standard issue to the IDF and was widely used by US Forces the ITL Raptor is a sleeker derivitive. as well as Mepro MOR. The ISM which has been discontinued was developed for the HK XM8 program had a red dot and ir and visible lasers, EO Tech manufactures a HWS with lasers. And a number of laser aiming modules have been fitted with small red dots.
the advantage of a combination system is it can save space on a weapon, and time. Once you bore sight the optic the lasers are locked to.
In a system like the QBZ95 which lacks a full quad or tri rail system where the accessory rail is more a after thought.
a unit that pulls double duty could be the best option. I mean even if QBZ95 were railed like a M4 there is not that much space they could use for the rails and what if the weapon already has a accessory that takes up a lot of space like a Grenade launcher. Which has its sights on the side of the host weapon. Mounting a combination sight means that you have most of the accessories functions you might want without having a conflict between accessories.
but as I said I agree. This configuration is not the best way. They need to really work on it. This is far to bulky and far to crude. The ISM from insight ran on a singular CM123 battery and was little bigger then the ACOG and that dated from 2004. This system needs a diet.
first thing I would look to is changing the AClone. And yes I am still calling it that, as if they take away the mini dot it looks like a ACOG. Streamline the design and optimize it for the minidot. Then integrate the lasers more into the base of the scope and shrink them down. The flash light might also shrink to more of a navigation light then a "Strong Light".
if this company can improve this thing it might be worthwhile, maybe even adopted. But that's if they can create a real product and not this ad hock thing.
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MwRYum
Major
By how bad the design as it is, what it needs not merely "streamline" but "back to the drawing board" level of work: take out the flashlight and have it a separate entity; move the laser to the left and use a more compact setup, battery pack on the right to balance the weight distribution (AA battery was chosen largely for economy and that makes sense, CR123A still not as readily available as AA, unless you make it workable with rechargable batteries), sits the whole combo sight lower, back to the default height level, which was one of the primary improvement from the QBZ95.
