PLA Small arms

MwRYum, great pics. Thank you very much.

I love the new QSZ-11 pistol, even though I am not really sure about the 5.8x21 caliber, since this small bore bullet would need all the velocity it can get with a longer barrel. Now, it would be a somewhat stronger .22 LR, I fear. I would like it to be chambered in the 7.62x25 Tokarev necked round...

But still, I'd love to shoot it on a range. I bet it feels quite great. I'm just a sucker for compact pistols.

As for the QBZ-95-1 and the QBU-10, I see that the workmanship was raised quite a bit from the older guns. The plastic looks even more high quality and glock-level.
Not that the QBZ-95/97 wasnt also well made, though, according to the reviews of canadian owners, but these guns look quite a bit better than before.

Insignius said:

MwRYum, great pics. Thank you very much.

I love the new QSZ-11 pistol, even though I am not really sure about the 5.8x21 caliber, since this small bore bullet would need all the velocity it can get with a longer barrel. Now, it would be a somewhat stronger .22 LR, I fear. I would like it to be chambered in the 7.62x25 Tokarev necked round...

But still, I'd love to shoot it on a range. I bet it feels quite great. I'm just a sucker for compact pistols.

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I doubt there would be much of a difrence in terms of performence of the round form this newer QSZ11 vs the QSZ92 still it would likely be inferior to it's western counter parts the 5.7x28mm or the 4.6x30mm

Insignius said:

As for the QBZ-95-1 and the QBU-10, I see that the workmanship was raised quite a bit from the older guns. The plastic looks even more high quality and glock-level.
Not that the QBZ-95/97 wasnt also well made, though, according to the reviews of canadian owners, but these guns look quite a bit better than before.

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There have been reported issues with the tolerances of the rail interface on the carry handle on the older model and supposedly part of the improvements included corrections to that . There are still likely to be issues though. Norinco seems to have made very few changes to the texture of the weapon which has been reported to be slippery. A issue that is not wanted in a combat weapon. the elimination of the enlarged trigger guard seems to have been a sacrifice to the grenade launcher. so it's reasonable. I don't like that type of Sling mount it limits options of carry ( but then again HK, FN, and Beretta are all just as guilty)

There are a few more pics concerning a few details on the QLG10A that I couldn't take in the Sunday's openhouse event, think I should have the time to get into it and posted them in the next 12 hours or so, because the raw pics need some more cropping before they're deemed ready.

A bit extra tibits for the QLG10A I managed to ask yesterday:
1. the recoil is within comfortable level and won't produce significant kick;
2. the trigger's pull distance is something less than 1cm by my on-hand try
3. the trigger finger for the launcher is the middle finger, which makes sense because if you use the index finger, it'd generate too much diagonal pull that you won't get a smooth trigger pull; middle finger will still engage the trigger safety and enable the pull.

Great pics MwRYuM.

The new Type 11 pistol sure looks like a MaKarov externally. But I wonder if a straight blowback pistol action such as the Makarov can handle the pressure of the 5.8x21 round, which presumably is similar to 9x19.

shen said:

Great pics MwRYuM.

The new Type 11 pistol sure looks like a MaKarov externally. But I wonder if a straight blowback pistol action such as the Makarov can handle the pressure of the 5.8x21 round, which presumably is similar to 9x19.

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the 5.8x21mm round is already used in blowback actions of the QSZ92 pistol, the QSW 06 suppressed pistol the QCQ05 PDW so moving to a smaller delayed recoil blowback is not a issue. Its western equivalent the FN 5.7x28mm is more powerful and operates out F both the blowback actions of the P90 and Five Seven pistol.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

the 5.8x21mm round is already used in blowback actions of the QSZ92 pistol, the QSW 06 suppressed pistol the QCQ05 PDW so moving to a smaller delayed recoil blowback is not a issue. Its western equivalent the FN 5.7x28mm is more powerful and operates out F both the blowback actions of the P90 and Five Seven pistol.

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I too think this Type 11 is internally more similar to QSZ92 than Makarov. Makarov is a straight blowback, the bolt been held closed only the inertial of the slide and the recoil spring. Whereas both QSZ92 and I think FN Five Seven are Browning type delayed blowback. Straight blowback has the benefit of simplicity and lower cost, but can't handle higher pressure rounds. 9x18 is generally accepted as the practical upper limit of straight blowback pistol design.

Well maybe not QSZ92. I was thinking of the type 06 suppressed pistol. The 92 uses a short recoil locked breach rotating barrel, a operation more in common for Beretta pistols then the Five seven which uses a true Browning delayed recoil blowback.
the type 06 uses a short recoil, locked breach but with a fixed barrel.
now the similarities between the type11 and Makarov are likely the PLA listening to the words of the wise and KISS. Keep it simple stupid. By keeping close to a Makarov the existing training is kept relevant the existing holsters and even the pistol grips are allowed to be maintained.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Well maybe not QSZ92. I was thinking of the type 06 suppressed pistol. The 92 uses a short recoil locked breach rotating barrel, a operation more in common for Beretta pistols then the Five seven which uses a true Browning delayed recoil blowback.
the type 06 uses a short recoil, locked breach but with a fixed barrel.
now the similarities between the type11 and Makarov are likely the PLA listening to the words of the wise and KISS. Keep it simple stupid. By keeping close to a Makarov the existing training is kept relevant the existing holsters and even the pistol grips are allowed to be maintained.

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Can you explain how the fixed barrel on type 06 works. The only pistol that I know of with a fixed barrel and "locked/delayed" is the roller delayed HK P9

ohan_qwe said:

Can you explain how the fixed barrel on type 06 works. The only pistol that I know of with a fixed barrel and "locked/delayed" is the roller delayed HK P9

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there are in fact several roller delayed pistols, oldest design i know is cz 52 (used to own one); not realy practical since it makes a handgun unnessacerily complex and expensive without significantly enhancing accuracy.
However for longarms it's a viable alternative to gas-action. Gas-action is feeding on the gas-expantion (before it reaches it's max) where as roller lock feeds on recoil, when gas has expanded to it's max.

Is Type 06 really fixed barrel? or non-rotating barrel?

Top barrel is 06. Bottom barrel is 92.