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MwRYum said:

Mouse tail switch for the torchlight, but the position is unwieldy if you ask me.

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

well... Kinda sorta... They can still export shotguns.

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but not much more. The biggest butt hurt came from the Bush administration when when a Norinco designed MANPADS ended up in Iranian hands.

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shen said:

Does the ban only apply to NORINCO the company? Wonder why private capital haven't setup a company in China to manufacture guns exclusively for the US market.

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US punishes firms in Iran and China
The US has imposed sanctions against a Chinese company for allegedly supplying Iran with ballistic missile technology, without providing details of the deal.
The penalties will deprive one of China's largest conglomerates, North China Industries (Norinco), of annual sales in the US worth more than $100m for the next two years.

China denied the US claims and called the sanctions "entirely unreasonable".

US officials said the sanctions - which cancel all export-import licences and contracts with the US - are thought to be the severest yet to be imposed against a Chinese company.

The latest US move comes as it tries to build a case against Iran claiming it is developing nuclear weapons.

Iran's Shahid Hemmat Industrial, the government defence industrial agency in charge of developing and producing ballistic missiles, will be largely unaffected because of existing US sanctions against the country.

Unsupported claim

The US did not specify what technologies were sold but claims the deal was struck after August 2002.

"These penalties were imposed because the US Government determined that these entities contributed materially to the efforts of a foreign country - in this specific case Iran - to use, acquire, design, develop, produce or stockpile missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction," State Department spokeswoman Jo-Anne Prokopowicz told AFP.

Norinco, a key supplier of the People's Liberation Army of China declined to comment.

Responding to whether Norinco had exported ballistic missile products to Iran, a spokesman said, "Please don't ask further. My brain is blank."

Strike capability

In April 2000, the Clinton administration imposed sanctions against the Shahid Hemmat Industrial and three other Iranian companies for "knowingly engaging in the export of military technology".

Shahid Hemmat is a key developer of Iran's Shahab-3 missile, which reputedly has a range of 800 miles, enough to reach Israel, Turkey and Afghanistan.

The Shahab-3 is thought to be based on the design of North Korea's Nodong.

President George W. Bush has group Iran with Iraq and North Korea as a member of a so-called 'axis of evil'.

US warning

The sanctions will also do little to improve relations with China just days ahead of a meeting between Mr Bush and the new Chinese President Hu Jintao.

"Politically it won't be a good thing, but it won't affect the first summit meeting very substantially," Zhu Feng, director of the International Security Programme at Peking University.

"In the context of US pressure on Iran, it's a big warning to China that it has to watch what it's doing," he said.

Norinco is a global supplier of vehicles and mechanical products, optical-electronics, chemicals, explosives, civil firearms, light industrial products and "special products".

According to documents made public on Thursday the sanctions went into effect on 9 May.

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Published: 2003/05/23 12:40:54 GMT

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Chinese firm hit with U.S. sanctions

By The Washington Times Friday, May 23, 2003


The Bush administration has imposed stiff economic sanctions on one of China's largest state-run manufacturers for selling missile-related goods to Iran.

The two-year sanctions will, for the first time, bar any exports to the United States from a Chinese firm, in this case North China Industries Corp., known as Norinco, which manufactures an array of military and civilian products.

Bush administration officials said conservative official estimates are that the sanctions will cost Beijing "hundreds of millions" of dollars annually in lost sales in the United States.

Sanctions also were imposed on an Iranian government missile producer, the Shehid Hemmat Industrial Group, which has been involved in Iran's short- and medium-range missile program since the mid-1990s.

Documents made public by the Federal Register state that the sanctions were imposed May 9 under two presidential executive orders aimed at curbing arms transfers.

Norinco was caught providing Iran with specialty steel used in all its missile programs in October 2002 -- two months after Beijing announced new export regulations aimed at curbing missile-technology sales.

China's government was informed about the sanctions and denied that the company transferred the specialty steel involved.

In the past, sanctions on arms-proliferating countries have been limited to a ban on contracts with the U.S. government, although little defense-related trade occurs between the United States and such countries.

The latest sanctions require the Treasury Department to "prohibit the importation into the United States of any goods, technology, or services produced or provided by these entities."

"This is the first time in the last 15 years that sanctions on China will have teeth," one U.S. official said.

Norinco is China's third-largest manufacturer, and the sanctions could cost the company up to $100 million in lost business in the United States, through such retailers as Wal-Mart and Kmart.

Norinco makes some 4,000 products ranging from toys to short-range ballistic missiles, according to U.S. officials. Since it was formed in 1980, Norinco has had about $25 billion of import and export business.

As for businesses that will complain of the inconvenience of not being able to purchase inexpensive Norinco products, the official said, "It's also inconvenient to have an Iranian missile come down on you."

No details of the activities by the Chinese and Iranian companies were made public in State Department documents. An announcement of the sanctions will appear today in the Federal Register, the U.S. government's official publication for regulations.

A congressional official close to the issue said the sanctions were imposed after a huge political battle in the Bush administration between pro-Chinese officials opposed to the sanctions and national security officials.

The official said the sanctions on Norinco were overdue and described the company as a "serial proliferator" of missiles and goods related to weapons of mass destruction.

Gary Milhollin, director of the private Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, which tracks arms sales, said the State Department action shows that "missile exports to Iran continue."

The two-year ban on all Norinco imports is a significant departure from past actions. "It may be that these sanctions will have an impact," Mr. Milhollin said in an interview.

The Iranian company has been sanctioned in the past. In 2000, Shehid was sanctioned, along with a North Korean company, for missile-related purchases from North Korea.

Several Norinco employees were indicted in 1996 for being part of a covert effort uncovered by the U.S. Customs Service to smuggle 2,000 AK-47 assault rifles into Oakland, Calif., to arm urban street gangs.

A Norinco subsidiary, Hong Kong-based Rex International, also was involved in brokering the sale of high-grade seamless steel pipes to an Iranian chemical-weapons facility.

Among Norinco's military products are armored fighting vehicles, various kinds of artillery, antitank missile systems, small arms, ammunition, radars, sighting and aiming systems, and high-performance engines, according to Mr. Milhollin.

Norinco has several subsidiaries in the United States, including, in California, Beta Chemical, Beta First, Beta Lighting, Beta Unitex and China Sports; and in New Jersey, Forte Lighting, Larin, and NIC International, Mr. Milhollin stated in congressional testimony.

China has been a major supplier of missiles to Iran for more than a decade. According to a 1999 congressional report on Chinese military and espionage activities, Beijing has provided Iran with CSS-8 ballistic missiles and support equipment and various missile-guidance components.

China also sold Iran solid-missile-fuel technology and C-802 antiship cruise missiles.

The U.S. government has criticized and sanctioned China repeatedly for its missile and weapons sales to Iran, North Korea and Pakistan. Sanctions were also imposed in July on eight Chinese companies that sold arms and germ-weapons goods to Iran.

The State Department also imposed sanctions on various Chinese companies for selling weapons-related goods to Iran in May 2002 and January 2002.



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TerraN_EmpirE said:

Norinco was specifically targeted by some.

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As to why not partner or open a US subsidiary like IWI-USA did for Tavor
1) To do so would Require Norinco to open a Full Us manufacturing line. Norinco is a purely State owned entity I think the CCP would have issues with them if they opened a production line in the US.
2) The product. QBZ97 is frankly a lack luster weapons system in the Us it would have to compete with a Market full of Systems that can compete at a much higher end and quality. If you want a Bullpup you can get a semiauto Tavor, AUG, Fs2000, Coming models form Desert Tech and Keltec Costom AK's and more. And into this the T97 Semi Auto would find a market? A weapon with a terrible Safety, Poor Trigger, skyscraper high Sights No rails, limited ability to be customized, terrible magazine release would compete? It would likely be run out of the Market.

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PanAsian said:

I rarely see pictures of Chinese police armed with shotguns, compared to how common they are with American police. When Chinese police are armed, not counting sidearms, they appear more often with assault rifles, submachine guns, or sniper rifles than shotguns. I wonder why that is? I assume the biggest reason is different tactics rather than shotguns not being available, too expensive, or the Chinese arms industry not being able to manufacture them.

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

Okay Mace I see it now, It looks like they are trying to prevent seeing the Gas block. I wonder why?
Any Who. We have been Sourced.

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