PLA Small arms

MwRYum

Major
Yeah I'm not sure about that at all, especially with the wording and whatnot.

On CJDBY there is a photo of a supposedly new cartridge variant with both the projectile and casing made of entirely copper.
Copper? Not brass casing? And last I remember, China use steel to make casing due to the fact that they don't have good access to copper.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
It could be brass or some kind of coated steel to minimize barrel erosion. I wonder why people don't try using aluminum for shell casings...
 

MwRYum

Major
It could be brass or some kind of coated steel to minimize barrel erosion. I wonder why people don't try using aluminum for shell casings...
You do know there are aluminium cartridge out there, right? According to what I can find right now, aluminium cartridge is not designed for automatic weapons, and not reload-friendly (which is problem for civilian gun owners) but certainly cheaper than brass, yes..
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Copper? Not brass casing? And last I remember, China use steel to make casing due to the fact that they don't have good access to copper.

China don't have good access to copper? huhhhhh, where did you get the story ? fyi, China is the second most producer of copper after Chile and China is by far consume the most copper

everybody, Australia, Chile, etc is desperate want to sell copper to China .... but it is true that copper is expensive than brass and of course steel
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It could be brass or some kind of coated steel to minimize barrel erosion. I wonder why people don't try using aluminum for shell casings...

You do know there are aluminium cartridge out there, right? According to what I can find right now, aluminium cartridge is not designed for automatic weapons, and not reload-friendly (which is problem for civilian gun owners) but certainly cheaper than brass, yes..
The issue is the material. Alluminum is fine for low pressure rounds like pistol ammo but the material suffers when going against rifle ammo. The less dence Alluminum has a habit of burn through where in the high pressure gases will breach the casing due to melting or burning this is dangerous and renders the ammo useless. See the attached PDF
 

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ahho

Junior Member
Isn't the USMC currently leading the charge of making suppressors general issue? Then again, QBZ95 never designed with quick-detachable suppressor to begin with anyway.

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When I am looking at this picture where it shows the cloth bag to hold the spent brass, an idea came to me. For urban combat where left handed shooting required, could they not put in something similar to the cloth bag to deflect the brass downward, or act as a shield in case the user's face is to close to the ejection port (from type 97 videe, brass is quite positively gets ejected to the front)
 

Sunbud

Junior Member
Registered Member
When I am looking at this picture where it shows the cloth bag to hold the spent brass, an idea came to me. For urban combat where left handed shooting required, could they not put in something similar to the cloth bag to deflect the brass downward, or act as a shield in case the user's face is to close to the ejection port (from type 97 videe, brass is quite positively gets ejected to the front)
Then again, when you switch shoulders shooting, you don't switch hands, you still keep your primary hand on the pistol grip and secondary on a front grip or handguard. You just shift the rifle left (or right) into your weak shoulder (best practice, you are still best at shooting with your primary grip). This does mean that you hold the rifle closer to the centre of your chest and don't fully rest your cheek on the cheek rest of the rifle as per normal. Instead your head is slightly elevated over the rifle, possibly looking through a secondary close range optic.

This makes that less of a problem. Although extraction gases in my nose and the albeit slimmer chance of having my teeth smashed in would not appeal to me.

Also brass holders help with you and the rest of your section not all fall over slipping over spent cases on flat, hard concrete. That would be a way to lose a firefight.:D

And yes it is also possible to use a brass catcher to ensure that your teeth don't get smashed in a secondary
re-purpose. But I suppose just mounting a three-sided rectangular bracket (open side facing forward) over the ejection port will be enough to ensure no casing come backwards. A much simpler, cheaper and practical solution-I wouldn't want to carry a bulky, dangling, noisy sack of war confetti with me.
 
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ahho

Junior Member
Then again, when you switch shoulders shooting, you don't switch hands, you still keep your primary hand on the pistol grip and secondary on a front grip or handguard. You just shift the rifle left (or right) into your weak shoulder (best practice, you are still best at shooting with your primary grip). This does mean that you hold the rifle closer to the centre of your chest and don't fully rest your cheek on the cheek rest of the rifle as per normal. Instead your head is slightly elevated over the rifle, possibly looking through a secondary close range optic.

This makes that less of a problem. Although extraction gases in my nose and the albeit slimmer chance of having my teeth smashed in would not appeal to me.

Also brass holders help with you and the rest of your section not all fall over slipping over spent cases on flat, hard concrete. That would be a way to lose a firefight.:D

And yes it is also possible to use a brass catcher to ensure that your teeth don't get smashed in a secondary
re-purpose. But I suppose just mounting a three-sided rectangular bracket (open side facing forward) over the ejection port will be enough to ensure no casing come backwards. A much simpler, cheaper and practical solution-I wouldn't want to carry a bulky, dangling, noisy sack of war confetti with me.

Bracket makes sense, and it reminds the users face not to get close. As for my idea, instead of a bag, it has more like a hole on the bottom, since I was thinking of just deflecting downward or somewhere else and not holding anything spent brass, while not being too big
 
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