PLA Photos & Videos

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I'd like to thank mpleio of mp.net for posting such great photos.

airsuperiority said:

LOL gotta love how after the officer (intentionally/accidentally) fell into the ditch, he then pulled that guy in as well half a second before the explosion

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It's quite clear that the instructor always planned to jump into the ditch (the entire reason for them digging it was so that it would act as a grenade trap to shield them from just such an accident) and yanked the trainee in right after him as soon as he could. He almost certainly would have trained and practiced to do exactly that as part of his training and duty as the instructor of that exercise.

Although the trainee may have a slight concussion to help him remember the proper grenade throwing technique after this since it looks like he fell on his head.

airsuperiority said:

LOL gotta love how after the officer (intentionally/accidentally) fell into the ditch, he then pulled that guy in as well half a second before the explosion

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Lol...yep, I'm sure the trainee will get an extra "lessons learned" from his drill instructor.

plawolf said:

Actually, IIRC, the string at the end of the stick is the arming pin, The whole point is that you tie or loop it around your wrist, the pin is pulled and the grenade armed as it leaves your hand.

What happened in that vid is that for this particular grenade, the pin must have been unusually tight, so that plus the inexperience/poor throwing technique of the FNG resulted in the grenade being yanked back a little after release, which caused it to loose almost all forward momentum and fall too short.

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I am aware many of the advantages for a stick grenade over an egg grenade, but why would a doctrine instructs that pull the string and arm the grenade PURELY on the throwing momentum? Stick grenade is not a silly thing but this doctrine is.

All right defendent of the doctrine maybe arguing that only newbies under training would be instructed to do it like that to prevent armed the grenade but fail to throw out and the grenade fell on the ground right next to everybody's feet...

I would ask, dose a typical "egg grenade" using force, such as US and so, would ask the newbie trainees to hold / finger trigging the safety pin by one finger, and throw and arm the grenade by momentum?

Again, I know many things others feel strange yet fit PLA's reality, but this grenade doctrine in particular, is one I myselve fail to find a defendent for it.

Well, I think that this vid amply demonstrates why this design of grenade has not been popular since WWI. It is just a more simple (ie cheaper) safety feature than the conventional grenade's safety lever, but the drawbacks of a sticky pin can be considerable, although this is almost certainly a very extreme case.

Out in the field, there is nothing stopping someone pulling the cord and then throwing it like a conventional grenade, but given how short the fuse was in that video, that is probably not a great idea.

They may have made the fuse so short to dissuade soldiers from the temptation of 'cooking' the grenades, but since the greatest design advantage of a stick grenade over a conventional one is that it is easier to achieve greater distance with a throw with a stick grenade, I believe that the choice to set the fuse so short and the practice of relying on momentum to arm the grenade is intended to maximise the possibility of an airburst over an enemy position.

To prevent a sticky pin from causing the grenade to drop dangerously close, you are best off lobbing the thing as hard as you can. With proper technique and a little experience, it would not be all that hard to be able to achieve air busts fairly consistently. That would hugely amplify the lethality of the grenade as well as it's effective range.

In tight spots, where accuracy and finess are key, you can always pull the cord out before throwing and be able to get just as much control over it as any conventional grenade.

Hey guys on Deadliest Warrior they did a comparison between the stick grenade and pineapple grenade in practicality, versatility and effectiveness.

Red___Sword said:

I am aware many of the advantages for a stick grenade over an egg grenade, but why would a doctrine instructs that pull the string and arm the grenade PURELY on the throwing momentum? Stick grenade is not a silly thing but this doctrine is.

All right defendent of the doctrine maybe arguing that only newbies under training would be instructed to do it like that to prevent armed the grenade but fail to throw out and the grenade fell on the ground right next to everybody's feet...

I would ask, dose a typical "egg grenade" using force, such as US and so, would ask the newbie trainees to hold / finger trigging the safety pin by one finger, and throw and arm the grenade by momentum?

Again, I know many things others feel strange yet fit PLA's reality, but this grenade doctrine in particular, is one I myselve fail to find a defendent for it.

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In a lot of WWII movies, we see soldiers using one hand to hold the grenade and using the other hand to pull the pin, and then throwing it out. So I always thought it was a two-hand procedure...

Red___Sword said:

I am aware many of the advantages for a stick grenade over an egg grenade, but why would a doctrine instructs that pull the string and arm the grenade PURELY on the throwing momentum? Stick grenade is not a silly thing but this doctrine is.

All right defendent of the doctrine maybe arguing that only newbies under training would be instructed to do it like that to prevent armed the grenade but fail to throw out and the grenade fell on the ground right next to everybody's feet...

I would ask, dose a typical "egg grenade" using force, such as US and so, would ask the newbie trainees to hold / finger trigging the safety pin by one finger, and throw and arm the grenade by momentum?

Again, I know many things others feel strange yet fit PLA's reality, but this grenade doctrine in particular, is one I myselve fail to find a defendent for it.

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In most typical 'egg grenade' the pin only holds the spoon in place. It's the spoon that has a tiny spring in it when released will "spring" out as a way to activate the detonation of the grenade. The advantage for this type is the distance the soldier could throw, think throwing a baseball, vs. compare to throwing a stick.

I think it is more like throwing an iron ball vs an iron ball on the end of a stick, in which case I think the ball on stick will travel further due to longer lever effect.

lol is there anything deadliest warrior doesn't compare?