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Mirabo

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Here are my observations about the three videos posted.

Each episode seems to be focused on one particular aspect of operations on board the warships. The first video was largely about the gunnery team for the Type 730 CIWS on Changsha (173, Type 052D), headed by a lieutenant (OF-2), whose position according to the documentary is "Anti-Air Vice Commander". When they conducted the live-fire exercise towards the end, the lieutenant allowed a cadet to assume command so he can get some hands-on experience, but the cadet did not perform well, and the lieutenant had to take over to ensure that the exercise was successfully completed. He mentioned that actual practice and experience was the best way for the cadet to improve.

The second episode was about the maintenance team on board the Luomahu (964, Type 903A). The main focus of this episode was the Senior Chief (OR-8) in charge of maintenance, and the various tasks he has to routinely carry out on the ship. He's 36 years old and served in the PLAN for 18 years. The video shows that his (and his team's) work includes checking the piping, the seawater desalination system, heavy machinery on the lower decks. They also get calls about minor mechanical issues: If a part of the ship has no hot water, or if a cooling unit broke down, it is them who are dispatched to fix it. Towards the end, he received an urgent call to fix the refridgeration system for the meat and vegetables.

The third episode focused on replenishment between vessels, and showed how the Luomahu was able to supply food and other supplies to the other ships in the squadron, as well as conducting underway replenishment of fuel and freshwater to both other ships simultaneously. It also showed the variety of vegetables and meats stored on board and how they are kept. The captain of the supply vessel is of commander rank (OF-4). The person in charge of the replenishment team is of the same rank. According to the documentary, at least 95% of foodstuffs are consumed upon arrival back to port, ensuring minimal wastage.

There will probably be more episodes airing in the future.
 

antiterror13

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And that ain't a good thing at all. But what you can expect after such expansion. 20 years from now on for PLAN to mature probably.

That's a good point that's often forgotten I must add. Well picked up @A.Man

well, sometime we judge based on our own capability ... 20 years? really ... I am glad PLAN didn't choose you ;)

young is good and he may look young but not too young ... obviously mature enough .. perhaps more mature than me and you :p
 

Janiz

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Unfortunately that doesn't factor in the differences between advancements in training, education and exercises between the Chinese Navy's past and present.
You write there's progress - I'd say that it can't be measured. I'm sure they're becoming more professional but to what extent and how it looks from the inside is a mystery for me... But you're sure in that aspect so...
Officer of the replenishment ship in the task force at 16:50 and he appears the right age for a Commander rank (like mid 30s).
lol, no. As Forbin wrote - in the best navies around the world guys of his rank would never command such a big ship. The big, capital warships are always commanded by OF-5 ranks officer (usually between 45-50 years of age) and such a big replenishment ship would be commanded by someone in OF-4 ranks with a high chance of promotion to OF-5 during his duty aboard. The reason behind such a young officer (I don't know how young are you if you think that being 35 is an appropriate age and being responsible for such a big ship) is commanding such a capital ship is of course a shortage of more experienced officers so they have to put younger ones to fill in for recent build up. Don't make theories where things are obvious...
For the USN, it appears that you need 15-17 years of total service and spent at least 3 years as a lieutenant commander to be promoted to the rank of Commander, which is generally the rank when you may be given Command of a major ship like a destroyer, in the USN and probably similar in the Chinese Navy.
That's a progodigy way of advance into ranks. Rarely happens. And OF-4's really command Burke class destroyers? I doubt that. Smaller ones- sure. Possible with OF-4's. If that happens it doesn't happen oustide of US Navy and I'm sure about that.
I think it is a case of A Man writing something in an excessively effusive manner combined with Janiz's propensity to jump on any bit of information that can make either China or the Chinese military come across as flawed in some way.
Well, from what you write you have no idea and you never even tried to think about it. Forbin wrote you how it looks in Marine Nationale and I can tell you that's how it works in every NATO country. I'm 100% sure that's also how it works in South Korean Navy and JMSDF. And you write that's normal. Well - it isn't.
 
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Ah i see, a Commander but he's only in frame for a little bit.

Tbh we can't even see his face that well, and it's hard to see how old he really is even if we could. He could be anywhere from mid 20s to early 40s, and they definitely don't tell us his age.
let me ask you if you're referring to:
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assuming he's
9E48i.jpg

?

(sorry if I misunderstood: I looked here just like two minutes ago)
 

Blitzo

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let me ask you if you're referring to:
DgqCH.jpg


assuming he's
9E48i.jpg

?

(sorry if I misunderstood: I looked here just like two minutes ago)

Correct, that's the guy I'm referring to. Unfortunately we don't know how old he actually is. I would've wanted to say mid to late 30s but tbh he could also be in his early to mid 40s.
 

Blitzo

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You write there's progress - I'd say that it can't be measured. I'm sure they're becoming more professional but to what extent and how it looks from the inside is a mystery for me... But you're sure in that aspect so...

Well I suppose that suggests you disagree with my assessment, meaning that you believe that the Chinese Navy's education, training and exercise has not meaningfully improved since the 1980s then.

Okay.


lol, no. As Forbin wrote - in the best navies around the world guys of his rank would never command such a big ship. The big, capital warships are always commanded by OF-5 ranks officer (usually between 45-50 years of age) and such a big replenishment ship would be commanded by someone in OF-4 ranks with a high chance of promotion to OF-5 during his duty aboard. The reason behind such a young officer (I don't know how young are you if you think that being 35 is an appropriate age and being responsible for such a big ship) is commanding such a capital ship is of course a shortage of more experienced officers so they have to put younger ones to fill in for recent build up. Don't make theories where things are obvious...

Well maybe my estimate of his age is simply wrong. Who knows. Yet I like that your automatic assumption is that this means there is something likely fundamentally flawed with the Chinese Navy instead of considering maybe they aren't as young as you may have thought they were?


That's a progodigy way of advance into ranks. Rarely happens. And OF-4's really command Burke class destroyers? I doubt that. Smaller ones- sure. Possible with OF-4's. If that happens it doesn't happen oustide of US Navy and I'm sure about that.

Based on my search, yes it appears many if not all USN Burkes are commanded by OF-4s/Commanders.

For example, this link (
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) is for the US Pacific Fleet's DDGs and if you go to the bottom of the page you can click on pages for each of the individual Burke class DDGs, and for each page of the Burke class DDG in quesiton you can click "leadership," which will take you to a page with "commanding officer" which is always seems to be a CDR/Commander.

I"ll just choose a random Burke off that page, let's say USS Fitzgerald, and clicking on the "leadership" tab on its page, I can see that the CO of the ship is Commander Robert Shu.
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If I choose another random Burke, say USS Gridley, it tells me the CO of the ship is Commander Michael Mortenson.
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I've clicked on a dozen other Burkes at random, and they all show me the COs of the ships are Commanders...

I rest my case.


Well, from what you write you have no idea and you never even tried to think about it. Forbin wrote you how it looks in Marine Nationale and I can tell you that's how it works in every NATO country. I'm 100% sure that's also how it works in South Korean Navy and JMSDF. And you write that's normal. Well - it isn't.

I think the more suitable explanation is that you took A Man's original comment and somehow managed to convince yourself that his statement about "so awfully young" was reflective of reality and it appears you had not even watched the video at that point, yet were eager enough to assume the Chinese Navy must therefore inherently have a flaw.
I'm going to assume that you've watched the video by now and realized that the age of the CO was not given.
 
Correct, that's the guy I'm referring to. Unfortunately we don't know how old he actually is. I would've wanted to say mid to late 30s but tbh he could also be in his early to mid 40s.
I now called here my wife and kid ... they were reluctant to come ... and once they did, I asked them to guess the age (they thought I knew the answer) and my wife said '20', my kid '50', so my guess '35' is the average LOL!
 

Blitzo

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Also, back to the OF-4 discussion in the US Navy...

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If you scroll down to the "Commander" section... you can see this:

"Commander: Commander is a senior officer rank, above lieutenant commander, and below captain. A commander in the U.S. Navy may command a frigate, destroyer, submarine, aviation squadron or small shore activity."
 

jobjed

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Also, back to the OF-4 discussion in the US Navy...

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If you scroll down to the "Commander" section... you can see this:

"Commander: Commander is a senior officer rank, above lieutenant commander, and below captain. A commander in the U.S. Navy may command a frigate, destroyer, submarine, aviation squadron or small shore activity."

You spend too much effort on him. Janiz has gone far beyond the stage where benefit of the doubt can be bestowed. It's now best to assume he's a bit "special" and tuck him in a quiet corner away from other children.
 

Blitzo

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You spend too much effort on him. Janiz has gone far beyond the stage where benefit of the doubt can be bestowed. It's now best to assume he's a bit "special" and tuck him in a quiet corner away from other children.

Yes, I suppose I really should just put him on my ignore list and be done with it like I have been with a few others. Good call.

Although in this case it was quite cathartic to be able to find black and white evidence straight from the USN's mouth against his "OF-4's really command Burke class destroyers? I doubt that" -- after just a minute or so of searching. He might have been in the military, but if he didn't know something so essential and so simple that a civilian could find on the internet after thirty seconds with a search engine then I have to wonder how much relevant experience he actually gained from it all.
 
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