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Blitzo

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At staff positions, sure. In the work - that doesn't go this way. Ask anyone who served their time aboard naval vassel (like I did and you haven't) and the answer will be the same. You get older, you see stuff, you get smarter I must say.

Unfortunately that doesn't factor in the differences between advancements in training, education and exercises between the Chinese Navy's past and present.
If you really think the competency of an officer of XYZ age in the Chinese Navy in the late 1980s was the same as an officer of the same XYZ age in the Chinese Navy of today then I'd like what you're smoking.


Stop making up stuff like youngsters at the helm are something good. Well, it isn't. It's the main point for PLAN weakness right now with the build up. Higher ups know this. But you've got some likes from some old salts who post and upvote anything that's compared to normal outside view here so I won't be interfering anymore in this subject.

I served and that's my voice.

Please, there's a difference between saying someone is "young" in the context of the historical age of commanders for ships in a Navy, versus saying someone is young and therefore unfit for the commanding officer position.

And also I'd like if if you don't put words in my mouth. What I said was that officers in the modern Chinese Navy who may be younger than officers in the Chinese Navy of twenty or thirty years ago are likely just as competent if not more competent due to differences in education, training and exercises.
Competency and experience is not only a reflection of age, but also a reflection of the quality of education, quality of training and quality of exercises. I would bet a limb that the competency of the Chinese Navy's officers today compared to what they were able to turn out two or three decades ago are far superior.



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though this is all a bit academic -- I watched the video A man was talking about, I didn't see an officer with a rank of Commander or Captain aboard the DDG who was the Commanding Officer. The highest ranked officer I saw was a Lieutenant.
 

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Video: 173 (052D) Task Force Sail 8000 N. Miles, Part I


PLAN officers are so young. The DDG's Captain, a PLA Navy Commander, is also awful young.

What part of the video shows the DDG's captain? Do you have a timestamp?
I do not see a Commander or Captain rank which would be expected for the ship, the highest rank I spotted was a Lieutenant, so I don't know if I missed it.
 

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Looking at all three videos, the third video shows a Commander who is the Commanding Officer of the replenishment ship in the task force at 16:50 and he appears the right age for a Commander rank (like mid 30s).


I'm not sure if there was a video that showed the Commanding Officer for one of the DDGs so I'm interested in who A Man is referring to.
 

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Looking at all three videos, the third video shows a Commander who is the Commanding Officer of the replenishment ship in the task force at 16:50 and he appears the right age for a Commander rank (like mid 30s).


I'm not sure if there was a video that showed the Commanding Officer for one of the DDGs so I'm interested in who A Man is referring to.
No relation with the rest... French CO for a combattant of first rank FFG, DDG have minimum about 40 normaly about 45, mid 30 seems young for a big Repl Ship.

Despite great progress PLAN has no yet experience of the main Western navies, they do combat missions since WWII... in more never PLAN have fought.

Surly the quality is good mentionned in what i read but there is even better.
 
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No relation with the rest... French CO for a combattant of first rank FFG, DDG have minimum about 40 normaly about 45, mid 30 seems young for a big Repl Ship.

Despite great progress PLAN don' t have again experience of the main Western navies, they do combat missions since WWII... in more never PLAN have fight.

Well I'm only eyeballing his age, to be honest I have no idea how old he is, and without a number we can only eyeball.

Though I think a late 30s is a reasonable minimum age to be a commanding officer for a destroyer or frigate surface combatant.
 

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Wait a minute. I haven't watched any of the clips but did they actually mention the age of the officers or they just "looked" young? Asians have been known to look younger than their actual age. Even if the officer in the video is young, he may be an isolated case, which means he has been promoted faster because he is talented.

Do we have actual data on ages of Chinese naval officers vs other navies in the world at each level?

It doesn't make sense to assume that their fast expansion somehow depletes their officers and forces them to promote younger and less experienced officers. We have many photos of naval pilots aboard the CV-16. Many of them look quite mature, well into their 40's. Naval aviation is much younger than the navy itself and should be depleted much faster. Yet, we see many mature pilots.

The PLAAF is undergoing similar massive expansion as the navy. We also see many PLAAF pilots who also look quite mature, also in their 40's and even 50's. A pilot's job is not only mentally demanding, but also physically challenging. If there is ever a depletion, it would be more with pilots.

Are we over analyzing an isolated event again?
 

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Wait a minute. I haven't watched any of the clips but did they actually mention the age of the officers or they just "looked" young? Asians have been known to look younger than their actual age. Even if the officer in the video is young, he may be an isolated case, which means he has been promoted faster because he is talented.

I do not believe the ages were mentioned, frankly it's just based off eyeballing which as you said is not reliable.


Do we have actual data on ages of Chinese naval officers vs other navies in the world at each level?

We do not have data on ages of Chinese naval officers, but we do know how the grading system works for other navies like the US:

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For the USN, it appears that you need 15-17 years of total service and spent at least 3 years as a lieutenant commander to be promoted to the rank of Commander, which is generally the rank when you may be given Command of a major ship like a destroyer, in the USN and probably similar in the Chinese Navy.

Assuming one joins the Navy as an ensign in your early 20s, you can quite reasonably become a CO of a surface combatant by your mid to late 30s.


It doesn't make sense to assume that their fast expansion somehow depletes their officers and forces them to promote younger and less experienced officers. We have many photos of naval pilots aboard the CV-16. Many of them look quite mature, well into their 40's. Naval aviation is much younger than the navy itself and should be depleted much faster. Yet, we see many mature pilots.

The PLAAF is undergoing similar massive expansion as the navy. We also see many PLAAF pilots who also look quite mature, also in their 40's and even 50's. A pilot's job is not only mentally demanding, but also physically challenging. If there is ever a depletion, it would be more with pilots.

To be fair there are many pilots in the air force and navy who "look" on the younger side as well. Just like the Navy there are younger and older individuals which likely reflects a combination of their competency as well as when they joined the military to begin with.


Are we over analyzing an isolated event again?

I think it is a case of A Man writing something in an excessively effusive manner combined with Janiz's propensity to jump on any bit of information that can make either China or the Chinese military come across as flawed in some way.
 

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At staff positions, sure. In the work - that doesn't go this way. Ask anyone who served their time aboard naval vassel (like I did and you haven't) and the answer will be the same. You get older, you see stuff, you get smarter I must say.

Stop making up stuff like youngsters at the helm are something good. Well, it isn't. It's the main point for PLAN weakness right now with the build up. Higher ups know this. But you've got some likes from some old salts who post and upvote anything that's compared to normal outside view here so I won't be interfering anymore in this subject.

I served and that's my voice.

More like a hissing than a voice, lol.

In every cadet batch, there are a few promising outstanding cadets. If they don't fuck up along the way and lucky enough to have a good commanding officer/mentor, they would be as good, if not better, than the senior ranks, 15-20 years top, as they would learn the life time experience of their seniors along the way. That's the tradition of every navy.
Experience? Cadets who get commissioned are constantly groomed to be a good officer/leader/decision maker since day one. Nobody could get more hands-on experience than these guys. In a growing navy like China's, they have more chances to have their own command at a relatively younger age compared to European navies who are stagnating or growing at much slower pace than that of China.

You get older, you see stuff, you get smarter I must say.

It can go the other way too. Just look around, or in the mirror, lol.
 
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