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Hendrik_2000

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  • Progress is being made on a "9XX ASW Search & Destroy Vessel". He refuses to elaborate on this due to its sensitivity. I'd assume it's a dedicated ASW ship with next-gen sonar and ample organic helicopter facilities.

I am looking forward for those sub hunter ship I was thinking along this line using lower frequencies and big data
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“The advent of improved sensors and processing will make below-water warfare more like warfare above the water,” Clark told me in an email. “In some ways [detection] may be easier — for example, a contact can be detected ‘over the horizon’ underwater because sound bends with the curvature of the earth,” unlike radar waves.

Big data is a big part of the new detection methods. Navies normally use active sonars with frequencies higher than 1,000 hertz, even though lower frequencies carry further, because lower frequencies require longer wavelengths that allow for less precision. With the right algorithms and plenty of computing power, however, you can refine a fuzzy picture to the point that low-frequency sonar becomes tactically useful. It’s similar to how improvements in processing power might make low-frequency radar able to target stealth aircraft.

Big data also enables more exotic techniques. Instead of standard sonar, sub-hunters could use lasers or even light from LEDs, carefully tuned to frequencies that carry best underwater. You could even eschew active sensing altogether and passively monitor changes in the ocean environment, such as changes in background noise from sea life or tiny ripples on the surface from a sub passing underneath. These indirect detection methods also have their anti-aircraft counterparts, where “passive radar” looks for stealth aircraft by analyzing disturbances in the background chatter of radio transmissions that are part of modern life.


Overall, the new methods for detecting submarines are “analogous to what is being pursued in the electromagnetic spectrum against stealthy and other aircraft,” Clark told me. In both air and water, he said, “
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That doesn’t mean submarines or F-35 fighters become irrelevant, however, because platforms without stealth features will fare far worse. Stealth will become the price of entry into the warzone, he explained, instead of a ticket to penetrate undetected into enemy defenses.

As a result, Clark said, we need to start combining stand-off and stealth: Keep the manned stealth platform at a distance — where it’s harder to detect and has more time to evade attack — and send in unmanned, relatively expendable, but also stealthy platforms to do the close-in tactical work. Larger drones and unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) would deploy on their own from surface ships, while smaller systems could be launched from the submarines themselves.

Coordinating all this would be an underwater communications network. “The same technological advancements that improve undersea sensors will also improve undersea communications,” Clark said. High-frequency sound waves, lasers, or LEDs could all provide high-bandwidth datalinks underwater — albeit at shorter ranges than radio waves in air — especially with enough computing power at the receiving end to sort signal from noise. Undersea cables or relays deployed on the sea floor could extend the network all the way back to US bases on land.

This kind of connectivity could be a culture shock for submarines, who traditionally go off for months where they don’t talk with anyone, including higher command. The
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has long struggled with issues of independence, initiative, and micromanagement that could now extend underwater as well. Moving towards an underwater network will hardly be easy. With
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, however, his latest proposal is likely to be taken seriously.
 

Blitzo

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  • Type 075 LHD displacement less than 40,000 tonnes. Everything is in metric BTW because we're sane. CIWS consists of 2 x Type 1130 and 2 x HQ-10. Capacity is around 28 helicopters. Planned numbers are unknown.
  • Current plans are for 8 Type 071s, so expect to see another 3 being built by HDZH in addition to the 5 currently identified.
  • Progress is being made on a "9XX ASW Search & Destroy Vessel". He refuses to elaborate on this due to its sensitivity. I'd assume it's a dedicated ASW ship with next-gen sonar and ample organic helicopter facilities.
  • Current orders for Type 901 AOE is for 2 vessels. However, that's the initial order and there's no telling how many will be ultimately procured.

The 9XX ship sounds the most fascinating to me. It sounds more like a combat ship than a t-agos surveying ship.

The fact that it isn't an 05X classification though makes me think it won't be a sort of standard surface combatant either. Hmm
 

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  • Type 075 LHD displacement less than 40,000 tonnes. Everything is in metric BTW because we're sane. CIWS consists of 2 x Type 1130 and 2 x HQ-10. Capacity is around 28 helicopters. Planned numbers are unknown.
  • Current plans are for 8 Type 071s, so expect to see another 3 being built by HDZH in addition to the 5 currently identified.
  • Progress is being made on a "9XX ASW Search & Destroy Vessel". He refuses to elaborate on this due to its sensitivity. I'd assume it's a dedicated ASW ship with next-gen sonar and ample organic helicopter facilities.
  • Current orders for Type 901 AOE is for 2 vessels. However, that's the initial order and there's no telling how many will be ultimately procured.
This suggests the self-defense arrangement will be the 4 corner sponson setup allowing for 360 degree coverage for both the 1130 and the HHQ-10.
 

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Rescued crewmembers of the Tuvalu-flagged OS35.

Local time on the morning of April 9, the PLAN (Chinese Navy) 25th escort fleet in the Gulf of Aden successfully rescued crew members of the "pirate" hijacked Tuvalu-flagged OS35 cargo ship. At present, the ship and the crew have been under the protection of the Chinese navy escort formation. (Source: contemporary navy)

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PLAN VBSS members brief before the assault on Tuvalu-flagged OS35

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The Indian Navy was involved in the rescue..please read the link below.

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Rescued crewmembers of the Tuvalu-flagged OS35.



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PLAN VBSS members brief before the assault on Tuvalu-flagged OS35

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The Indian Navy was involved in the rescue..please read the link below.

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Yeah but how much? All the article mentioned was an Indian helicopter flew over the hostage ship to provide cover. No mentioning of them sending in marines to secure the ship and freed the hostages. Again it came from a western news media therefore comes with a negative view about China now matter if it's a goodwill action.
 

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Yeah but how much? All the article mentioned was an Indian helicopter flew over the hostage ship to provide cover. No mentioning of them sending in marines to secure the ship and freed the hostages. Again it came from a western news media therefore comes with a negative view about China now matter if it's a goodwill action.
@bd popeye

Well, in trugh, both nations had a part.

Apparently the Indians got there first with their helo and the crew members let them know that the pirates had fled.

Then the Chinese borded the vesssel to enure no pirates were left and escortd the vessel on its way.

New Report said:
the Indian navy ships Mumbai, Tarkash, Trishul and Aditya had been sailing toward the Mediterranean Sea when they responded to the distress call and "rapidly closed the merchant vessel" by early Sunday." After an Indian navy helicopter flew over on Sunday morning, crew members emerged and "ascertained that the pirates had fled the ship at night."

"Subsequently, in a show of international maritime cooperation against piracy, a boarding from the nearby Chinese navy ship went on board the merchant ship, while the Indian naval helicopter provided air cover for the operation," the statement said.

Nothing negative there, except the Indians did note the actions of the Chinese and the Chinese said nothing of the Indians.

That is all.
 
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Iron Man

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I don't understand the role the Indians had. They provided "air cover" for the rescue? What does that even mean in this context? They were running CAP against possible incoming Somali pirate jet fighters? LOL

The helicopters that roped in the Chinese SOF must surely have already been providing eyes in the sky directly overhead and some door-mounted machine guns ready to strafe as needed. So the Indian helos basically did nothing except observe the rescue from afar (and provide bad advice over the radio before that), all of which amounts to either nothing or worse than nothing. So the Chinese side not mentioning them seems to actually be a merciful face-saving measure rather than a slight. :cool:
 

bd popeye

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You guys need to chill out...Only a couple of our members have ever been to sea and have any idea what goes on upon the oceans of Planet Earth. You'd all be surprised how much co-operation between navies that may seem to be adversarial. .I think both sides worked together to rescue the crew of OS35....as most navies would...Here's the Indian version of what happened. I think it is unbiased and fair to both sides;

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In a joint operation, the Indian navy and its Chinese counterpart on Sunday rescued a a bulk carrier ship OS35 off the coast of Aden which was suspected to have been hijacked by Somali pirates on Saturday. The latest pirate attack followed a string of attacks after years of calm.

Early on Sunday, the Indian naval ships managed to establish contact with the container ship's captain who, along with his crew members, had locked themselves in a strongroom onboard, as per stand operating procedures.

An Indian Navy helicopter taking off from INS Mumbai carried out an aerial reconnaissance of the ship to "sanitise" the upper decks of the ship and trace the whereabouts of the pirates who could still be on board.

Emboldened by the Indian Naval cover and on receiving an "all clear signal" that there was no sign of any pirate on board, the crew members gradually emerged from the strong room.

Later, an 18-member Peoples Liberation Army Chinese Navy team from its warship PLA-CNS Yulin boarded the ship, while the Indian Navy helicopter provided air cover for the massive 171-metre long X 28 metres wide, 18-year-old bulk carrier.

The Chinese team carried out a full search of the ship along with the crew and ascertained the pirates had escaped under cover of darkness after their hijack attempt was foiled due to timely rescue operations mounted by international maritime forces in the vicinity.

The captain of the Tuvalu-flagged ship expressed his gratitude to the Indian Navy, while both Indian Navy and the Chinese Navy thanked each other for the successful joint high seas operation on the critical maritime corridor.

Graeme Gibbon-Brooks, the head of private company Dryad Maritime Intelligence had confirmed the hijacking on Saturday.

The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), which coordinates shipping in the Gulf of Aden area, said on its website it had received a notification earlier on Saturday from a vessel in an area in the Gulf of Aden that was under attack and may have been boarded

"Vessels transiting the area are advised to exercise extreme caution," UKMTO said, without giving more details.
 

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Here's the Indian version of what happened. I think it is unbiased and fair to both sides;

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Except it's inaccurate. This part, in particular, is the most BS:

Emboldened by the Indian Naval cover and on receiving an "all clear signal" that there was no sign of any pirate on board, the crew members gradually emerged from the strong room.

LOL. They came out because they were let out by the Chinese VBSS team. It had nothing to do with Indian helicopters or an alleged "all clear" signal.

Imagine you were part of the crew. Would you casually wander out of the safe room simply because a helicopter flew overhead, eyeballed the ship, and declared "all clear?" I sure as hell wouldn't; I'm not coming out until armed, trained, professional military personnel sweep and clear the ship and then announce the "all clear".

Simply hovering overhead and announcing "all clear" without deploying a VBSS team to secure the ship is irresponsible, unprofessional, and dangerous to the unarmed crew. I'm sure the Indian helicopter did not do such a thing and Indian media made that up. Their helicopter probably flew over the ship after Chinese VBSS personnel already cleared the ship, which is why they saw people wandering around.
 
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