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Jura The idiot
General
That number of ships, 500, must have been sucked out of someone's thumb.
Or someones..... well you know.
Actually it depends on how the ships are counted. If any navy counts all combatants small craft, auxillaries etc...well then they could come up with 500 ships.
As of this day the USN has 274 combatant ships. This does NOT include LCACs, landing craft, reserve ships and all sorts small craft. Or ships, including replenishment ships, assigned to the Military Sealift Command. has approximately 120 ships stationed around the World.
antiterror13
Brigadier
perhaps include everything, include Type 022 ... maybe
The main combatants ships (CG, Destroyer, Frigate, Corvette, Subs) wouldn't be more than 250
Or wikipedia ()
It lists 496 active ships (not including auxiliaries) counting huge numbers of submarine chasers (94) and missile boats (109) including lots of older type 037 that I would assume are not really active anymore.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I've always believed PLAN's ambition is not global dominance but west PAC and it aligns with the good admiral's island chain strategy.
They don't need to match USN. All they are wanting for now is to reach parity with 7th fleet in the next decade or so etc and then slowly surpass it and next goal would then be US 7th + JMSDF which they are trying to get to by mid century.
My personal observation is I believe you will see accelerated naval building programs etc in the coming years especially if the relationship with Beijing becomes more adversarial in nature instead of the other way around.
Personally I didn't expect that. I thought a Trump presidency would actually improve ties with China but so far the new admin's rhetorics has soured the relationship. We'll see what happens in the next couple years but the tone set thus fas has not been very encouraging albeit it's still very early.
They don't need to match USN. All they are wanting for now is to reach parity with 7th fleet in the next decade or so etc and then slowly surpass it and next goal would then be US 7th + JMSDF which they are trying to get to by mid century.
My personal observation is I believe you will see accelerated naval building programs etc in the coming years especially if the relationship with Beijing becomes more adversarial in nature instead of the other way around.
Personally I didn't expect that. I thought a Trump presidency would actually improve ties with China but so far the new admin's rhetorics has soured the relationship. We'll see what happens in the next couple years but the tone set thus fas has not been very encouraging albeit it's still very early.
vesicles
Colonel
At this point, I have little clue as to what the POTUS intends to do with China. However, IMHO, his rhetoric may not be a good indication. Although he has been tough on China, one of the first foreign nationals he met after being elected was Jack Ma. And he specifically mentioned Jack Ma in his first briefing. So I don't think he plans to actually be aggressive with China.
My own opinion is that China may be a major factor in his plan to revive US economy. He is now attempting to set the mood to gain a better footing at the negotiation table. It's a typical bargaining strategy. You first let your opponent believe that you don't care about them and their offering means squad to you. And their products are all POS. Then you sit down with them and negotiate to get the best deal possible. I think he is setting up his negotiation with China.
Of course this is my best case scenario and my own best wish. Let's hope this is the case...
Lethe
Captain
Personally I expect that China's naval strength will develop into rough parity with USN, albeit with different force structure that includes conventional submarines as well as nuclear ones, more small and medium-sized ships and fewer large ones, and fewer aircraft carriers.
This parity will not emerge out of any kind of dick-measuring contest with the US or desire to emulate its current (self-assigned) role in the world, but rather out of the strategic logic arising from China's circumstances: China will seek the ability to secure its sea lanes to protect its trade and therefore national prosperity, and this in turn requires the ability to neutralise the bulk of US forces plus those of other regional powers, and this can be rendered as roughly equivalent to neutralising the entire USN and requiring parity with that force -- parity that the future Chinese state will be able to afford and achieve. Indeed, I can envision a future where PLAN is as powerful as USN, and Chinese planners are still fretful about their ability to manage the tasks assigned to them, just as US planners are fretful today.
Well, he certainly talks about China often enough:
This parity will not emerge out of any kind of dick-measuring contest with the US or desire to emulate its current (self-assigned) role in the world, but rather out of the strategic logic arising from China's circumstances: China will seek the ability to secure its sea lanes to protect its trade and therefore national prosperity, and this in turn requires the ability to neutralise the bulk of US forces plus those of other regional powers, and this can be rendered as roughly equivalent to neutralising the entire USN and requiring parity with that force -- parity that the future Chinese state will be able to afford and achieve. Indeed, I can envision a future where PLAN is as powerful as USN, and Chinese planners are still fretful about their ability to manage the tasks assigned to them, just as US planners are fretful today.
Well, he certainly talks about China often enough:
Blackstone
Brigadier
Given the 'get tough with China' rhetoric from Trump, and his close circle of advisors like Peter Navarro, Stephen Miller, Rex Tillerson, Wilbur Ross, and Robert Lighthizer, whatever made you think US-China relations would improve under Trump's administration?