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Updated: Chinese Seize U.S. Navy Unmanned Vehicle
A U.S. Navy unmanned buoyancy glider was taken by Chinese forces in international waters earlier this week, two defense officials confirmed to USNI News on Friday.

The glider was operating with U.S. Military Sealift Command ship USNS Bowditch (T-AGS-62) about 50 miles off of Subic Bay in the Philippines when a People’s Liberation Army Navy ship took the glider both defense officals said.

“A Chinese naval ship that had been shadowing the Bowditch put a small boat into the water. That small boat came up alongside and the Chinese crew took one of the drones,” CNN reported on Friday

“The Chinese navy ship ASR-510, a Dalang III-class ship, approached within 500 yards of the Bowditch, launched a small boat, and seized the UUV,” the Pentagon said in a statement reported the BBC

The gliders, far from the Navy’s most sophisticated unmanned vehicles, are used by the service as oceanagraphic survey tools. The gliders largely use unclassified means to collect data for the Navy’s charts and ocean models. The service deploys the systems for months at a time and they transmit data back to the Navy.

“This is an area of significant importance for future naval operations,” Eric Wertheim, author of U.S. Naval Institute’s Combat Fleets told USNI News on Friday. “While this ocean glider UUV may be low tech by comparison to other more advanced U.S. UUVs, the Chinese are known to be investing heavily in the development of their own unmanned underwater vehicles, and any additional information garnered from foreign systems could potentially prove useful to them.

The service has more than a hundred of the gliders that can transmit data back for more than a month at a time, Oceanographer of the Navy Rear Adm. Tim Gallaudet said in October during an AUVSI conference in Washington, D.C.

The seizure of the glider is arguably a violation of freedom of navigation norms.

The following is the complete Pentagon statement on the incident.
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Janiz

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In any case, I won't fall for your idiocy here except to say that the only thing the Zumwalt reminded the PLAN of here is exactly how fragile the ship is, limping into port after suffering its THIRD engine casualty in only one year.
In any case I haven't seen a photo of PLAN ship damaged and I won't in my lifetime. If there's no photo there's no proof. Not to mention that they mastered the night landings aboard Liaoning, you can't prove that they haven't! And clumsy US Navy pilots make the same mistakes everytime... Not that one of the posters here that had seen numerous night landings (failed and successful) during the time that he served aboard few US Navy carriers said it can't be mastered and there simply pilots tat are better and worse with that. He's mad.

I'm waiting for a video of completely failed night landing aboard Chinese carrier. After that you can simply ban me from this board! Take my word! I'm just waiting for that footage. And I'm pretty sure that I won't see that during my lifetime.

I asked when did the last accident happened within PLAN? And some people forwarded me to 2003 accident that's similar to Russian Kursk catastrophy with some 70 sailors dead! Even in Russia under Putin there were protests from civilians about the tragedy...

If I were a military man and I could chose any place in the world I could work, then the answer would be simple. PLA. That's for sure!
 

Blitzo

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In any case I haven't seen a photo of PLAN ship damaged and I won't in my lifetime. If there's no photo there's no proof. Not to mention that they mastered the night landings aboard Liaoning, you can't prove that they haven't! And clumsy US Navy pilots make the same mistakes everytime... Not that one of the posters here that had seen numerous night landings (failed and successful) during the time that he served aboard few US Navy carriers said it can't be mastered and there simply pilots tat are better and worse with that. He's mad.

I'm waiting for a video of completely failed night landing aboard Chinese carrier. After that you can simply ban me from this board! Take my word! I'm just waiting for that footage. And I'm pretty sure that I won't see that during my lifetime.

I asked when did the last accident happened within PLAN? And some people forwarded me to 2003 accident that's similar to Russian Kursk catastrophy with some 70 sailors dead! Even in Russia under Putin there were protests from civilians about the tragedy...

If I were a military man and I could chose any place in the world I could work, then the answer would be simple. PLA. That's for sure!

This is a rather strange kind of whataboutism I've been seeing from you lately.

Just because people are pointing out that the USN or other navies in the world are having accidents with a certain ship or a certain incident is not an indictment against that nation's entire naval service, nor is anyone suggesting that China's Navy is somehow free of all accidents either.


Personally I think both Blackstone's post was unnecessarily trollish and Iron Man's response didn't help, but your take on it is just bizarre.
 

Lethe

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Updated: Chinese Seize U.S. Navy Unmanned Vehicle

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The article says the incident occurred in international waters (not that the US has a great record in terms of knowing or admitting when they are or are not in international waters). I wonder if it occurred in waters claimed by China (territorial or EEZ) but not recognised by the US.
 

Jeff Head

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Guys, tone it DOWN.

The drone taken is not that sophisticated and the US Navy is perfectly capable of ensuring that the Chinese know that they should not be doing that.

If the US vessel allowed this PLAN vessel to come within 500 yards of it and take its glider, then it was because the USNS ship is not an official US Navy fighting ship and is manned mostly with merchant marine personnel and not armed to stop such a thing.

We do not need arguments over it.

Iron Man, than means you do not need to add "son" into a post that will draw return fire...and Blackstone, it means you do not make overly sweeping and reactive return comments that will move the forum towards open fighting.

Any more of that from either of you will result in a suspension.

If you get too many suspensions from such behavior, you will be banned.

This thread temporarily closed to allow a cooling off, and out of line comments deleted.

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LOL I now realized I could quote Friday at 8:05 PM
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China Returns U.S. Navy Unmanned Glider
Chinese forces returned a U.S. Navy buoyancy glider to the service, the Pentagon announced in an early Tuesday morning statement.

The crew of U.S. guided missile destroyer USS Mustin (DDG-89) recovered the glider from the crew of the People’s Army Liberation Navy Dalang III vessel that took the unmanned glider from waters near the Philippines last week.

“Today, the People’s Liberation Army Navy vessel 510 returned a U.S. Navy Ocean Glider Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) to the United States, near the location where it had been unlawfully seized on Dec. 15.,” said Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook in the statement.
“USS Mustin received the vehicle for the U.S. in international waters approximately 50 nautical miles northwest of Subic Bay.”

The Chinese ship took the glider – one of two that was scheduled to be recovered by the U.S. Navy oceanographic survey ship USNS Bowditch (T-AGS-62) – near the same spot in international waters.

Before the crew of Bowditch could bring the glider aboard, a small boat from the Chinese ship that had been shadowing the U.S. ship was launched and took one of the two gliders.

Chinese officials claimed the glider was a hazard to navigation and they recovered the unmanned vehicle for the safety of the water. The U.S. took issue with Beijing’s interpretation of events.

“This incident was inconsistent with both international law and standards of professionalism for conduct between navies at sea,” cook said in his statement.
“The U.S. has addressed those facts with the Chinese through the appropriate diplomatic and military channels, and have called on Chinese authorities to comply with their obligations under international law and to refrain from further efforts to impede lawful U.S. activities.”

The glider is one of more than a 100 the U.S. Navy uses to measure ocean data.

“The Navy uses the gliders to collect ocean temperature, salinity and depth information, and transmit the unclassified data to
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for assimilation into NAVOCEANO’s operational ocean models,”
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Oceanographer of the Navy, wrote in a Monday Navy Live blog post.
“They are used by scientists and professionals around the world working in academia, the oil and gas industry as well as the military. Gliders have been the workhorses of the operational Naval Oceanography program for nearly two decades.”

The seizure of the glider prompted an early clash between Beijing and President-elect Donald Trump ahead of Trump’s inauguration next month.

Statement by Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook on Return of U.S. Navy UUV

Today, the People’s Liberation Army-Navy vessel 510 returned a U.S. Navy Ocean Glider Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) to the United States, near the location where it had been unlawfully seized on Dec. 15. USS Mustin (DDG 89) received the vehicle for the U.S. in international waters approximately 50 nautical miles northwest of Subic Bay. The seized UUV is a sovereign immune vessel of the U.S. Navy which was conducting routine operations in the international waters of the South China Sea in full compliance with international law. It had just completed a pre-programmed military oceanographic survey route and was returning to the nearby USNS Bowditch (T-AGS 62). Ocean Gliders such as this are used regularly by the U.S. Navy and other militaries throughout the world.

This incident was inconsistent with both international law and standards of professionalism for conduct between navies at sea. The U.S. has addressed those facts with the Chinese through the appropriate diplomatic and military channels, and have called on Chinese authorities to comply with their obligations under international law and to refrain from further efforts to impede lawful U.S. activities. The U.S. will continue to investigate the events surrounding this incident and address any additional findings with the Chinese, as part of our ongoing diplomatic dialogues and the Military Maritime Consultative Agreement Mechanism.

The U.S. remains committed to upholding the accepted principles and norms of international law and freedom of navigation and overflight and will continue to fly, sail, and operate in the South China Sea wherever international law allows, in the same way that we operate everywhere else around the world.
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(I already put it into
China's SCS Strategy Thread
where I had been following this case during the time this thread was closed)
 

steve_rolfe

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Very nice chart there 'Forbin'.

I was hoping that before the end of this year (which still could happen), that another 052D Destroyer, and an 054A Frigate would be commissioned as these vessels are finished, and must be due to be inducted into the fleet very soon.........so they possibly could join the fleet now in early 2017. Also, i believe another 2 056 Corvette's are also just awaiting to join the fleet. 2017 is going to be another very busy year for the Chinese Navy.
 
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