Wow, did not expect to see a Chinese v280 interpretation this soon
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From ONI brief. Pretty much summarizes and confirms the opinions of most PLA followers.
- Construction capacity is basically a non-factor in Chinese naval expansion.
- The US is barely capable of maintaining the current size of the USN.
- China already has more of what counts in a West Pac conflict, combat vessels.
- China's shipbuilding industrial policy was a massive success, enabling both a vibrant industry and dumpling like destroyer production.
- Tonnage deployable in the west of Hawaii will be the same by ~2030
- Construction capacity is basically a non-factor in Chinese naval expansion.
- The US is barely capable of maintaining the current size of the USN.
- China already has more of what counts in a West Pac conflict, combat vessels.
- China's shipbuilding industrial policy was a massive success, enabling both a vibrant industry and dumpling like destroyer production.
- Tonnage deployable in the west of Hawaii will be the same by ~2030
I'm still don't understand how US shipbuilding got rektd despite Jones Act.
Easiest way to remember is that the US always wants the benefits but never the costs or responsibility, this affects all aspects of procurement and maintenance.
I have bad eyesight. A higher res would be very nice.
US is going to let Japan maintain some of her ships to alleviate the bottleneck.
If push comes to shove, I suspect they will allocate some ship-building contracts to SK and Japan but that will be a last resort and a very bitter pill for them to swallow since it sends a horrible message and even Congress might not allow it.
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Probably more like the AUKUS submarine deal - get the ally to pay, the ships will ostensibly be part of said allied navy but will be incorporated into USN command structure and come under US command in war
IMO, 052D successor (057 or 058 if 054B takes 057) will be a larger displacement sitting at 9K-10K tons. It will have more VLS (80-90). I've always assumed this since it makes logical sense that it would be enlarged since it can better fulfill certain roles in a future PLAN doctrine that has more blue-water roles such as longer transits and staying presence and to provide crew comfort. Larger size also provides room for future weapons.
Especially now that 054B (or whatever accronym this new FFG takes) is displacing 6K tons which is close to 052D 7.5K tons, it makes sense to differentiate the next DDG away from this FFG.
PLAN future surface combat roles will sit at Lg DDG 055, Md DDG 05x, Sm DDG 052Ds, FFG 054Bs and 054As. Who knows if they have roles for the 056 except for anti-mining roles.
Especially now that 054B (or whatever accronym this new FFG takes) is displacing 6K tons which is close to 052D 7.5K tons, it makes sense to differentiate the next DDG away from this FFG.
PLAN future surface combat roles will sit at Lg DDG 055, Md DDG 05x, Sm DDG 052Ds, FFG 054Bs and 054As. Who knows if they have roles for the 056 except for anti-mining roles.
Type 056A should still be very useful for cleansing routes for SSN/SSBN going out on patrol from port. Also a good 1st command for promising young officers.
Catching up on this thread, but the idea of a super ship will be only possible in the next century or mid-century. 2100-2150. By that point, the current concepts of a CSG would be have been tested in a major war and depending on the outcome, it will revert many back to their drawing boards.
A ship that is partially a carrier (with drones) packing with missiles, energy weapons and even a rail gun is possibly. It might make it more survivable if it is semi-submersible. This all sounds silly but who knows what they future holds. We will be gone anyway.
Also who knows if space has been weaponized at that point rendering large ships useless as major weapons platforms. But I'm sure all this is something that those with the funds (US and China) are looking into.
Edit: Nice being the 6000th post.
A ship that is partially a carrier (with drones) packing with missiles, energy weapons and even a rail gun is possibly. It might make it more survivable if it is semi-submersible. This all sounds silly but who knows what they future holds. We will be gone anyway.
Also who knows if space has been weaponized at that point rendering large ships useless as major weapons platforms. But I'm sure all this is something that those with the funds (US and China) are looking into.
Edit: Nice being the 6000th post.