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SlothmanAllen

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No worries. The late 80s peak is partly due to the reintroduction of the four Iowa-class battleships. On this chart you can see the underlying non-battleship trend:

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I will post some other USN charts in the US military thread.
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Thanks for your great work! I really just love facts and figures posts like this! Do you have anything regarding build rates for PLAN and US Navy? Would love to see historical and predicted trends versus the two. Several years ago a forum member posted a 2018 summary of PLAN shipbuilding up until that point which was fantastic. I wish we still got great content like that!
 
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charles18

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SlothmanAllen said:
... Do you have anything regarding build rates for PLAN and US Navy? ...
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In the middle of the page there is a chart that shows the US navy's "New Ship Construction" budget request for the next 5 years:
If I'm reading this chart correctly things are looking bad for the US navy, in particular the amphibious warships. Only 1 LHA and only 1 LPD will be funded for the next 5 years.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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In the middle of the page there is a chart that shows the US navy's "New Ship Construction" budget request for the next 5 years:
If I'm reading this chart correctly things are looking bad for the US navy, in particular the amphibious warships. Only 1 LHA and only 1 LPD will be funded for the next 5 years.
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Speaking of which, the Congress wants the US shipbuilders to build 3 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers each year for the next 5 years (2023-2027) across General Dynamics and HII.
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For comparison, China is currently building at least 7 Type 052Ds simultaneously across Dalian and Jiangnan.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Speaking of which, the Congress wants the US shipbuilders to build 3 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers each year for the next 5 years (2023-2027) across General Dynamics and HII.
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For comparison, China is currently building at least 7 Type 052Ds simultaneously across Dalian and Jiangnan.
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Keep in mind that 052D is not as large or built to the same standard as AB destroyers. It would be more fair to compare Type 055 to AB-III.

I do think that the congress is panicking because they are retiring a lot more surface combatants than they are building. You can't keep up the size of your navy by building 9 ships and retiring 24 ships a year. But if America does build 3 AB destroyers a year, then that will simply mean less money elsewhere.
 
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Lethe

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SlothmanAllen said:
Thanks for your great work! I really just love facts and figures posts like this! Do you have anything regarding build rates for PLAN and US Navy? Would love to see historical and predicted trends versus the two.
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Here's a crude chart I did a couple of years back which should I should probably update if not rework entirely at this point:

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I'm confident that a revised chart along these lines would continue to show that PLAN has outbuilt USN in terms of surface combatant tonnage over what will soon be a period of roughly fifteen years.

P.S. Unlike the "in service" charts I have posted, this "entering service" chart does not include the Iowa-class batttleships, those having been built and first commissioned in the 1940s...
 
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Kich

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tphuang said:
Keep in mind that 052D is not as large or built to the same standard as AB destroyers. It would be more fair to compare Type 055 to AB-III.

I do think that the congress is panicking because they are retiring a lot more surface combatants than they are building. You can't keep up the size of your navy by building 9 ships and retiring 24 ships a year. But if America does build 3 AB destroyers a year, then that will simply mean less money elsewhere.
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US doesn't have the shipyards and industry to churn out 3 destroyers a year. It's a pipe dream.
 
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Lethe

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Kich said:
US doesn't have the shipyards and industry to churn out 3 destroyers a year. It's a pipe dream.
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Looking at current types only, USN has commissioned three or more Burkes or Ticos in a single calendar year in the following years:

1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010.

Don't confuse the program-level dysfunction of what was intended to be the post-Burke era with a lack of industrial capacity. If Congress wants to return to building three LSCs per year, I have no doubt they can.
 
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