Like I said, you didn't get my point. It's not offence, just arrogance and hubris.
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What is your point that my arrogant and hubristic self didn't get, that you have stated twice already but didn't elaborate?
It is understandable that you did not get my point the first time, but after I reminded you of it, you did not give any thought to my reply, but repeated yourself again, which is arrogant and hubristic. This is an explanation of my last reply.
You two need to settle down with this stupid disagreement.
All that needs to be said is that 730 gets 5800rpm from 7 barrels, AK630 gets 5000rpm from 6 barrels, 1130 gets 10000rpm from 11 barrels.
2x AK630s mounted into one single unit is able to deliver 10000rpm from 10 barrels.
One of you is talking from the perspective of which guns system is "better" in rate and the other guy's talking about CIWS unit. AK630's per barrel rate is higher.
None of this is everything with a CIWS.
All that needs to be said is that 730 gets 5800rpm from 7 barrels, AK630 gets 5000rpm from 6 barrels, 1130 gets 10000rpm from 11 barrels.
2x AK630s mounted into one single unit is able to deliver 10000rpm from 10 barrels.
One of you is talking from the perspective of which guns system is "better" in rate and the other guy's talking about CIWS unit. AK630's per barrel rate is higher.
None of this is everything with a CIWS.
Very low dispersion, and some awesome fire control. No wonder the PLAN loves these Type 347G (or is it 349) radars.
The Russians do have sabot, BPS Kerner, and this is used as an option for the CIWS using the moderned AO-18K and KD gun. This includes the Pantsyr, Kashtan, AK-630M1-2 and AK-630M2. The AK-630 uses the older AO-18 gun, and the PLAN copied off from that for the H/PJ-13. Later the PLAN developed its own sabot for the H/PJ-13.
The PLAN does have Kashtans on the other two Sovremenny, 138 and 139, but they are likely using the same HE-FRAG, HE-T and HE-I ammo as the H/PJ-13, which are Russian copies, but not the Russian BPS Kerner sabot unless they ordered these from the Russians, and it's also a big question mark if these are using the sabots for the H/PJ-13.
The previous picture shows the belt using a mix of HE frag, tracer and incendiary rounds, rather than using one type of round.
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The argument is , in order to have a higher hit chance you can either increase the fire rate or have a better fire control system.This logic does not make sense, the AK-630 has a rate of fire of only 5,000 rounds per minute and the AK-630M1-2 is actually two AK-630s mounted in one turret.
The Chinese Type 730 and 1130 CIWS actually have higher rates of fire (5,800 rounds per minute and 10,000 rounds per minute) than the AK-630 and AK-630M1-2.
Note the time these CIWS was developed , AK-630, Phalanx , Goalkeeper entered service in 1980s , the threats they were desinged for has changed since then.
Type 730 , 1130 entered service in 2010s , they too choose the way of higher fire rate to combat faster moving missiles.
US choose to go with SeaRam in the recent years for the same reason.
Also note , PLA navy has AK630 only on type 022 , and 2 type 054,which mean the PLA didn't think that this system was as good as the 730 .And if Wikipedia is right
the improvements that the Chinese made is in line of what I said, 5000 RPM HE from the AK-630 isn't enough.
That's to put it mildly. According to Shilao and Yankee in recent discussion regarding the loss of Moskva PLAN holds AK630 in poor regard and gave it the derisive nickname "jellybean launcher". Its accuracy is really bad and they put that down to its fire control radar being separately mounted on the ship instead of integrated into its turret like every other CIWS.
There's apparently an incident where in a joint exercise where the PLAN had a drone fly pass Russian ships for them to practice their CIWS and their AK-630 fired a full burst and hit nothing but air. The drone had to be commanded to turn around and make another pass before it was it.
